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I know nothing of UFC. But I expect this is the usual tale, no? i.e. Fury would easily win a boxing match and the other chap would easily win an MMA match?

Still, always good banter from Fury even though this is admittedly a bit of a non-story. I've only met him briefly a couple of times at ringside but he's one of those guys who is genuinely funniest when he isn't trying to be funny.

I'm not a fan or follower of MMA so I know little about it. However, I seem to remember Haye making some very interesting comments a while back on how difficult he found it fighting against an MMA fighter when he'd done some training with one and they had a bit of a "sparring" session. He said he found it impossible to get any sort of power into his punches once he'd inevitably been taken down to the ground and that basically if a boxer doesn't connect with the first shot he's pretty much got no chance of winning the fight. I'll try and dig out the link.

Also we obviously all saw what happened to James Toney when he tried to dabble.

Fury is probably underestimating how difficult it would be against this guy even though he's only 6'1.

Good publicity all round.

http://www.fightofthenight.com/news/dav ... onfidence/

Link to the Haye comments attached.

In all honestly Fury was probably taking the piss. 2 of his cousins fight semi pro MMA.

SteveDow wrote:http://www.fightofthenight.com/news/dav ... onfidence/

Link to the Haye comments attached.

I'd not seen that before, good, honest stuff from Haye. I'm a boxer through and through but, like Haye I have had a mess around at BJJ and other forms of hand to hand combat. I found that in the same way a concert pianist can't automatically switch to a violin and do well, the same applies to boxer to MMA or vice versa. Even a guy going from something like Sambo, Greco Roman wrestling or BJJ to a UFC style format has to spend a significant period of time transitioning (if he intends to do well). It's obvious really. Like anything, even if you have a natural aptitude, you've got to pay your dues and work hard to gain the skills, techniques and specific conditioning.

Any how, Fury is just building his name.

I've sparred MMA a few times and believe it is a lot more gruelling. In boxing u can go for a walk a bit easier. The MMA lot r always doing something to make u work. It was a rude awakening, I woke up next day like i'd been run over. The guy made a total mess of my front leg cos I was too side on from boxing.

Saying that, I don't enjoy watching it much. Think boxing is more asthetically pleasing.

stevieb_8006 wrote:I've sparred MMA a few times and believe it is a lot more gruelling. In boxing u can go for a walk a bit easier. The MMA lot r always doing something to make u work. It was a rude awakening, I woke up next day like i'd been run over. The guy made a total mess of my front leg cos I was too side on from boxing.

Saying that, I don't enjoy watching it much. Think boxing is more asthetically pleasing.

You do learn how to take a breather and relax as you get more experienced but I agree that muscularly, MMA is more gruelling than boxing. Remember, though, if you've been boxing, or doing any sport, for a long time, you often forget how taxing it was on the body when you first got into it. You've got to give yourself time to adapt to new sports.

I like watching any combat sport but, like you, boxing is by far and away my favourite.

"Not a man born from his mother can beat me!" - old school traveller talk!

Superheavy wrote:"Not a man born from his mother can beat me!" - old school traveller talk!

Old school Shakespeare talk! (Macbeth...didn't work out too well for him, mind.)

dondada wrote:

Superheavy wrote:"Not a man born from his mother can beat me!" - old school traveller talk!

Old school Shakespeare talk! (Macbeth...didn't work out too well for him, mind.)

Good knowledge! I've often though Tyson has a rather poetic way with words

stevieb_8006 wrote:I've sparred MMA a few times and believe it is a lot more gruelling. In boxing u can go for a walk a bit easier. The MMA lot r always doing something to make u work. It was a rude awakening, I woke up next day like i'd been run over. The guy made a total mess of my front leg cos I was too side on from boxing.

Saying that, I don't enjoy watching it much. Think boxing is more asthetically pleasing.

Agree very much on boxing being better on the eye than MMA. Partly I think it is because the skills that tend to be most utilised in MMA are fairly subtle ground moves which an average observer can't really appreciate. Also it looks pretty ugly when you have one guy on top of another punching and kneeing him wildly in the head!

When it comes to fightin' Traveller talk, you have to go pretty far to beat Michael Gomez:

"They've picked on the wrong fvcking Gyppo this time!"

I nearly got that tattooed on me, at one point...

SteveDow wrote:

stevieb_8006 wrote:
Saying that, I don't enjoy watching it much. Think boxing is more asthetically pleasing.

Agree very much on boxing being better on the eye than MMA. Partly I think it is because the skills that tend to be most utilised in MMA are fairly subtle ground moves which an average observer can't really appreciate. Also it looks pretty ugly when you have one guy on top of another punching and kneeing him wildly in the head!

X3 it's not a great viewing sport Imo although they are tough as hell nutta's .
The injuries must be immense really on your limbs and joints.

Agreed - MMA = hard to do, but awful to watch. I appreciate there is genuine skill involved, but it's like watching fights outside a pub. Having watched Franz Botha amongst others get clobbered, I don't think it's a smart move for a boxer.

I can vividly remember watching the forerunners of the UFC back in the early 90s. Very few other people seemed interested and those I did attempt to expose to the sport all churned out the now hackneyed "it's like two blokes outside the pub", "it looks gay" criticisms before just lulling into a glazed boredom. So why has it taken off and become the almighty success that it now is? I think it's largely down to personalities and the creation/promotion thereof. And in that, it's no different than boxing. Hype is an obvious key ingredient in both sports. This actually applies to most sports.

You have the participants, coaches, hangers-on, meddlers and anoraks. And then you have the sloshing mob of consumers who'll buy into anything that's fizzy and shiny.

JLP wrote:I can vividly remember watching the forerunners of the UFC back in the early 90s. Very few other people seemed interested and those I did attempt to expose to the sport all churned out the now hackneyed "it's like two blokes outside the pub", "it looks gay" criticisms before just lulling into a glazed boredom. So why has it taken off and become the almighty success that it now is? I think it's largely down to personalities and the creation/promotion thereof. And in that, it's no different than boxing. Hype is an obvious key ingredient in both sports. This actually applies to most sports.

You have the participants, coaches, hangers-on, meddlers and anoraks. And then you have the sloshing mob of consumers who'll buy into anything that's fizzy and shiny.

Just out of interest what are the crowds like who attend the MMA/UFC events? I appreciate that there will be a range of people and that boxing gets more than its fair share of knobheads attending but for some reason I've always imagined the atmosphere at MMA/UFC shows to be pretty hostile.

Steve, I think anything that's viewed in some quarters as being on the edge of illegality (even though, in reality, MMA is not on the edge of legality) tends to attract a certain breed of throbber along with those who are involved because the activity itself is something they are either genuinely interested in. The whole "cage fighting" slant and the fact it's still all quite new and trendy does, for the moment, tend to result in UK MMA audiences having a larger percentage of strutting, invisible-barrel carriers than at the boxing (which does have some). I expect that within another year or two the ratios will be much closer aligned.

JLP wrote:Steve, I think anything that's viewed in some quarters as being on the edge of illegality (even though, in reality, MMA is not on the edge of legality) tends to attract a certain breed of throbber along with those who are involved because the activity itself is something they are either genuinely interested in. The whole "cage fighting" slant and the fact it's still all quite new and trendy does, for the moment, tend to result in UK MMA audiences having a larger percentage of strutting, invisible-barrel carriers than at the boxing (which does have some). I expect that within another year or two the ratios will be much closer aligned.

Cheers that's what I imagined. I only ask as my mate is always pestering me to go to a show with him but as I'm not interested in watching the sport I'd only really go if it was for the "event" and it doesn't sound like that's quite mainstream yet.

SteveDow wrote:

JLP wrote:Steve, I think anything that's viewed in some quarters as being on the edge of illegality (even though, in reality, MMA is not on the edge of legality) tends to attract a certain breed of throbber along with those who are involved because the activity itself is something they are either genuinely interested in. The whole "cage fighting" slant and the fact it's still all quite new and trendy does, for the moment, tend to result in UK MMA audiences having a larger percentage of strutting, invisible-barrel carriers than at the boxing (which does have some). I expect that within another year or two the ratios will be much closer aligned.

Cheers that's what I imagined. I only ask as my mate is always pestering me to go to a show with him but as I'm not interested in watching the sport I'd only really go if it was for the "event" and it doesn't sound like that's quite mainstream yet.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad night out at all, to be honest. The UFC cards in the States are obviously huge but there are some decent promotions put on over here, too.

I thought he lived on a caravan site.

Hardly a "fantasy world"

dondada wrote:http://news.boxrec.com/news/2013/tyson- ... h-ufc-star

I know nothing of UFC. But I expect this is the usual tale, no? i.e. Fury would easily win a boxing match and the other chap would easily win an MMA match?

Still, always good banter from Fury even though this is admittedly a bit of a non-story. I've only met him briefly a couple of times at ringside but he's one of those guys who is genuinely funniest when he isn't trying to be funny.

I dont think i have ever heard him speak without mentioning "Jesus"

Anyway, in 2013 people are still wondering how a boxer would get on against an MMA fighter?

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote: Anyway, in 2013 people are still wondering how a boxer would get on against an MMA fighter?

It is fairly obvious, I would like to see a MMA fighter dabble against a top level pro in boxing though, boxers have a chance of knocking out an MMA fighter when they step in a octagon, an MMA fighter has zero chance against a boxer in a boxing ring.

Ray Mercer Vs Tim Sylvia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo

the exception that proves the rule (or whatever)

SteveDow wrote:

JLP wrote:I can vividly remember watching the forerunners of the UFC back in the early 90s. Very few other people seemed interested and those I did attempt to expose to the sport all churned out the now hackneyed "it's like two blokes outside the pub", "it looks gay" criticisms before just lulling into a glazed boredom. So why has it taken off and become the almighty success that it now is? I think it's largely down to personalities and the creation/promotion thereof. And in that, it's no different than boxing. Hype is an obvious key ingredient in both sports. This actually applies to most sports.

You have the participants, coaches, hangers-on, meddlers and anoraks. And then you have the sloshing mob of consumers who'll buy into anything that's fizzy and shiny.

Just out of interest what are the crowds like who attend the MMA/UFC events? I appreciate that there will be a range of people and that boxing gets more than its fair share of knobheads attending but for some reason I've always imagined the atmosphere at MMA/UFC shows to be pretty hostile.

Total opposite mate... i have been to 6 ufc events and only ever saw 1 fight that was one twat who was pissed in the bogs.
On a whole the fans are all friendly and its almost like a gang or underground movement..hard to explain, on way to events at service stations and bars etc your see ppl in mma apparel and you ask you off to UFC today and its always friendly and good laugh very genuine excitement. The reason for this is theres no football club associations with any fighters so dont get "the crews or firms" following a fighter like at the boxing that can cause loads of shit.

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote: Anyway, in 2013 people are still wondering how a boxer would get on against an MMA fighter?

It is fairly obvious, I would like to see a MMA fighter dabble against a top level pro in boxing though, boxers have a chance of knocking out an MMA fighter when they step in a octagon, an MMA fighter has zero chance against a boxer in a boxing ring.

Ray Mercer Vs Tim Sylvia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9OE7DZAo

the exception that proves the rule (or whatever)

then theres this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFMJvUT2yk

lights out toney v randy couture.... James didnt do to well