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Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 08 Jan 2013, 20:42
by elmersalsa
I don't see a knockout, but the best featherweight of the 1960s vs the best featherweight of the 2000s. Who wins?

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 09 Jan 2013, 14:55
by Ambling Alp II
I would go with Saldivar in a very close, exciting fight.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 09 Jan 2013, 15:59
by Rover
Ambling Alp II wrote:I would go with Saldivar in a very close, exciting fight.
:TU:
MAB played Saldivar in a movie about Howard Winstone, I believe. Just a funny side note.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 09 Jan 2013, 17:21
by misterpunch
saldivar :bag: - winston would give MAB a run for his money

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 09 Jan 2013, 17:24
by Rover
misterpunch wrote:saldivar :bag: - winston would give MAB a run for his money
:TU:

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 10 Jan 2013, 11:18
by Seamus
Still thinking about it.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 15:00
by vagabundo55
Golden southpaw might outbox him in 12 rounds because he would sharpen up if the fight was less than 15 rounds, while Barrera on the other hand, tired late even in his prime. Still Barrera is a skillful fighter who on the inside would get the better with the jab, cross, left hook, combo. Statistically explained, many losses near the prime came to southpaws.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 19:34
by Rover
vagabundo55 wrote:Golden southpaw might outbox him in 12 rounds because he would sharpen up if the fight was less than 15 rounds, while Barrera on the other hand, tired late even in his prime. Still Barrera is a skillful fighter who on the inside would get the better with the jab, cross, left hook, combo. Statistically explained, many losses near the prime came to southpaws.
He lost to Jones, not a southpaw.
He lost to Morales, not a southpaw.
That leaves one, Pac. That isn't "many."
JMM was also not a southpaw.
And Barrera tired late?
Not against Morales or Hamed; he had enough energy to pound Hamed into the ringpost (and not trying to stall, either; he just wanted to humiliate him some more).
Pac pretty much dominated both fights, so MAB didn't really fade in them.
He also didn't fade in the McKinney classic; stopped Kennedy in the 12th.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 10:54
by vagabundo55
Rover wrote:
vagabundo55 wrote:Golden southpaw might outbox him in 12 rounds because he would sharpen up if the fight was less than 15 rounds, while Barrera on the other hand, tired late even in his prime. Still Barrera is a skillful fighter who on the inside would get the better with the jab, cross, left hook, combo. Statistically explained, many losses near the prime came to southpaws.
He lost to Jones, not a southpaw.
He lost to Morales, not a southpaw.
That leaves one, Pac. That isn't "many."
JMM was also not a southpaw.
And Barrera tired late?
Not against Morales or Hamed; he had enough energy to pound Hamed into the ringpost (and not trying to stall, either; he just wanted to humiliate him some more).
Pac pretty much dominated both fights, so MAB didn't really fade in them.
He also didn't fade in the McKinney classic; stopped Kennedy in the 12th.
Do you know how many southpaws there are that were forced to fight orthodox because supposedly the left hand strong hand is "evil"?

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 11:09
by Crease
I'm going with Barrera in this one.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 14:14
by Rover
vagabundo55 wrote:
Rover wrote:
vagabundo55 wrote:Golden southpaw might outbox him in 12 rounds because he would sharpen up if the fight was less than 15 rounds, while Barrera on the other hand, tired late even in his prime. Still Barrera is a skillful fighter who on the inside would get the better with the jab, cross, left hook, combo. Statistically explained, many losses near the prime came to southpaws.
He lost to Jones, not a southpaw.
He lost to Morales, not a southpaw.
That leaves one, Pac. That isn't "many."
JMM was also not a southpaw.
And Barrera tired late?
Not against Morales or Hamed; he had enough energy to pound Hamed into the ringpost (and not trying to stall, either; he just wanted to humiliate him some more).
Pac pretty much dominated both fights, so MAB didn't really fade in them.
He also didn't fade in the McKinney classic; stopped Kennedy in the 12th.
Do you know how many southpaws there are that were forced to fight orthodox because supposedly the left hand strong hand is "evil"?
I neither know nor care. The left hand is "evil"? Silliness. If you fight as a southpaw, I'll call you one. If you don't fight as one, I won't. Pretty simple. And MAB wasn't a fader.

Re: Featherweights: Vicente Saldivar vs Marco Antonio Barrera

Posted: 12 Jan 2013, 15:39
by Seamus
Barrera via a very close decision.