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Two Japanese fighters who came up just short at bantam. Nishioka then won a title at super bantam, but this is at bantam. Thoughts?

Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Agreed.
Murata/Sahaprom would've been very good. Murata no doubt fought in the best bantam era of the last 30+ years; he'd have been a champ in another era.

Rover wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Agreed.
Murata/Sahaprom would've been very good. Murata no doubt fought in the best bantam era of the last 30+ years; he'd have been a champ in another era.

And how would Nishioka have fared against Pintor and Jeff Chandler?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:

Rover wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Agreed.
Murata/Sahaprom would've been very good. Murata no doubt fought in the best bantam era of the last 30+ years; he'd have been a champ in another era.

And how would Nishioka have fared against Pintor and Jeff Chandler?

They'd both have beaten him, Jeff doing it easier.

Agreed.

Hasegawa vs. Pintor?

Hasegawa vs. Chandler?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Agreed.

Hasegawa vs. Pintor?

Hasegawa vs. Chandler?

Jeff.
Lupe.
Pintor>Montiel.
I have no doubt Hasegawa would grab a lead early on Pintor; hell, Rengifo did. Lupe gets him in the mid rounds.
Jeff (assuming he isn't in an Iriarte mood) takes control much earlier and does pretty much the same.

Ok...

Tatsuyoshi vs. Pintor?

Tatsuyoshi vs. Chandler?

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Ok...

Tatsuyoshi vs. Pintor?

Tatsuyoshi vs. Chandler?

Pintor and Jeff again.

The most interesting match-ups for me involving Chandler and Pintor with other bantams of the last 30 years are Lora, Perez and Orlando Canizales.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Looking back, Nishioka faced Veeraphol 4x in a great rivalry - withstood tremendous punishment and ageing battles with Nakajima (a fight his promoter made to encourage his retirement) and Napopol - to go on and win a title at his fifth try and beat Johnny Gonzalez in Mexico & Rafael Marquez in America. Not bad opposition and results.

I'd not write offNishioka vs any of the fighters from 118-122 in recent Asian boxing history.

Autobarn wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:Murata, no doubt whatsoever.

He faced much tougher competition overall, with better results.

I thought he beat Lupe Pintor and should have got the decision.

Looking back, Nishioka faced Veeraphol 4x in a great rivalry - withstood tremendous punishment and ageing battles with Nakajima (a fight his promoter made to encourage his retirement) and Napopol - to go on and win a title at his fifth try and beat Johnny Gonzalez in Mexico & Rafael Marquez in America. Not bad opposition and results.

I'd not write offNishioka vs any of the fighters from 118-122 in recent Asian boxing history.

Of course Nishioka was impressive at super bantam, but the question is "at bantamweight,"
hence the above. That said, his success at 122 could owe a lot to those four bouts with Veeraphol.

Yeah, that's cool.

Sahaprom was a very impressive bantam. Extremely well rounded, mature and hard hitting. In some ways Nishioka was at his best, in the middle two fights, at least in terms of hand speed and combination punching which were largely absent at super bantamweight. (Where I felt he was a bit of a "one-armed bandit")

Nishioka was such a determined little guy, to come through that brutal rivalry of four fights, and some injuries, to use his grit and experience for a very good championship reign albeit four pounds up.

Looking forward to watching some Murata very soon. Which of the Chandler fights is the best?

Autobarn wrote:Yeah, that's cool.

Sahaprom was a very impressive bantam. Extremely well rounded, mature and hard hitting. In some ways Nishioka was at his best, in the middle two fights, at least in terms of hand speed and combination punching which were largely absent at super bantamweight. (Where I felt he was a bit of a "one-armed bandit")

Nishioka was such a determined little guy, to come through that brutal rivalry of four fights, and some injuries, to use his grit and experience for a very good championship reign albeit four pounds up.

Looking forward to watching some Murata very soon. Which of the Chandler fights is the best?

Start with the first. Murata could easily have been credited with a knockdown in round one.