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To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 06:09
by Looking On
As a Nottingham born guy and currently residing on the border of Notts/Derbys its becoming apparant that Nottingham seems to be the forgotten land as far as promoters are concerned .
Why is it that unless its a Carl Froch bill theres no Professional boxing in Nottingham whatsoever .
Theres plenty of unlicensed and i know Damian Hucker that does the Fight @ the Forum events and posts on here (although not seen him post for a while) had previously spoken about getting his promoters license but from what i gather its on the backburner for him at the moment as hes getting married and that obviously has a rather large expense for someone who was having to save the money to go pro himself with no investors etc .
So why is there no promoters putting shows on in Nottingham ?
Youve got Carl Greaves doing really well of late but hes mainly on the east cost / Lincolnshire / South Yorkshire
Clifton Mitchell covers Derby and Leicester , so its as if theres a hole in the middle thats not being filled and would be a good place for someone to dig their boots in and establish themselves territorially in what lets face it , isnt exactly a minor city in my view .
Theres more than enough lads to put regular shows on aside from Froch , People like unbeaten featherweight Leigh Wood , who sells an absolute boatload of tickets when hes given the opportunity but instead hes having to box in places like Hull and Manchester , and still manages to shift 60 - 70 tickets , so hes an ideal person for a promoter here in Nottingham, theres guys like Adnan Amar , Curtis Valentine , Terry Maughan , Shane Mcphilbin , Jason Booth , Barrington Brown , Nathan Mcintosh etc etc plus i know theres a hell of a lot of guys who have to box unlicensed as theres no option for them to turn pro unless they become journeymen without promotion .
Nottingham lads dont get to build and improve their records as they have to take away fights , Barrington Brown and Curtis Valentine are perfect examples , i cant remember ever seeing them box in Nottingham , EVER .
Damian did a very high standard of a prizefighter tournament lightweight in April last year , i know as it was the first of his shows that i had a boxer on , and of the 8 entrants 5 have gone pro , all are from outside nottingham , the 3 Nottingham guys who were involved in that are the only ones who havent gone pro despite all 3 saying they want to .
He also has a real talent in Brendan Urquhart , who is a heavy hitting welterweight and certainly could be built into a good pro if he had promotion and Heavyweight Karl Beard who is as good as a lot of the pro heavyweights we see across the country
Weve spoken on here a while ago about Gary Mayor , who despite his age being in his 30s if he turned pro i would GUARANTEE he would win a british title , hes better right now than any light heavyweight in the UK outside of Cleverly and Bellew and i wouldnt count him out against them either , but he needs a promoter if hes going to turn pro as hes served time for a serious crime when he was a lot younger which he believes would hold him back if he didnt have backing
The future of Boxing in Nottingham would look very good if someone took it by the scruff of the neck and started putting on shows .
So this is probably aimed more at those promoters who work closer to Nottingham , such as Clifton Mitchell , Carl Greaves , and even David Caldwell doesnt operate a million miles away .
Im sure theres other parts of the country in similar situations but i had a conversation with someone last night and it really annoyed me when thinking about it so had to have my rant .
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 06:15
by Looking On
i have a gym , a small one mind but when i thought about getting my trainers license i decided against it for the time being due to the chances being that it would be a struggle to get them any fights .
So yes there is a personal agenda to this as i would like to get my Trainers license one day but at the moment theres just no point in me doing so .
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 06:21
by The Insider
Nottingham is a bit of a black hole when it comes to pro boxing these days isn't it. Had some great night's at the Harvey Hadden, the vicoria LC, Trent fm ice arena or whatever it calls itself these days etc but Matt Scriven doesn't seem to promote much these days and with Rendall retired and Booth seemingly at the end of his career the Harvey Harden won't be used much. I hear Tony Harris and Jimmy Gill may start promoting in Notts this year though so fingers crossed.
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 06:26
by Looking On
The Insider wrote:Nottingham is a bit of a black hole when it comes to pro boxing these days isn't it. Had some great night's at the Harvey Hadden, the vicoria LC, Trent fm ice arena or whatever it calls itself these days etc but Matt Scriven doesn't seem to promote much these days and with Rendall retired and Booth seemingly at the end of his career the Harvey Harden won't be used much. I hear Tony Harris and Jimmy Gill may start promoting in Notts this year though so fingers crossed.

I really hope that is the case , Ive never met Jimmy but Tony seems a genuinely nice guy
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 06:35
by The Insider
Looking On wrote:The Insider wrote:Nottingham is a bit of a black hole when it comes to pro boxing these days isn't it. Had some great night's at the Harvey Hadden, the vicoria LC, Trent fm ice arena or whatever it calls itself these days etc but Matt Scriven doesn't seem to promote much these days and with Rendall retired and Booth seemingly at the end of his career the Harvey Harden won't be used much. I hear Tony Harris and Jimmy Gill may start promoting in Notts this year though so fingers crossed.

I really hope that is the case , Ive never met Jimmy but Tony seems a genuinely nice guy
I've always found the both sound fellas.
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 07:04
by Looking On
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 08:48
by spudder56
You make some really good points and like you I have always beleived that Nottingham could become a real hotbed of Boxing if somebody was to put value for money shows on Why dont you get a promotors Licence mate because I think you would do very well and I mean that sincerly
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 08:52
by iamasadlittleboy
spudder56 wrote:
You make some really good points and like you I have always beleived that Nottingham could become a real hotbed of Boxing if somebody was to put value for money shows on Why dont you get a promotors Licence mate because
I think you would do very well and I mean that sincerly
Looking at the hypothetical match ups, I have to agree...especially when you consider your passion as well.
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 08:53
by spudder56
iamasadlittleboy wrote:spudder56 wrote:
You make some really good points and like you I have always beleived that Nottingham could become a real hotbed of Boxing if somebody was to put value for money shows on Why dont you get a promotors Licence mate because
I think you would do very well and I mean that sincerly
Looking at the hypothetical match ups, I have to agree...especially when you consider your passion as well.
Exactly Mate he would do very well
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 09:39
by jonp
The trouble with such a big show would be the wages.This show would come to about 22k so would need at least 800 people to make it break even and with at least 800 people the security bill would be pretty big.The onlt trouble is asking a promoter to risk 20 odd thousand for the chance to break even lose a lot or maybe make a small profit people dont want to take the risk.Without TV it is a really difficult proposition.
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 10:30
by kamicazze
I've seen Urquhart. Very good hard hitting talent that would excite the masses. I would even say there are a couple of gems not yet pro in both unlicensed and amateur.
There is Eckow Essuman who is a very good amateur.
Karl Beard the Heavy i agree with your points on.
Dom Waterfield if he ever decides to box again
A guy called Sam from my gym
And then id throw in further along the line ryan amos, herbie carr, otis lookham, kev weekes.
Then Leigh Wood, Adnan amar, Shane mcphilbin etc are established pro's who can be top end of a card whilst these guys come up underneath.
May be worth presenting the idea to someone to see whether sponsorship is available??
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 10:44
by The Insider
jonp wrote:
The trouble with such a big show would be the wages.This show would come to about 22k so would need at least 800 people to make it break even and with at least 800 people the security bill would be pretty big.The onlt trouble is asking a promoter to risk 20 odd thousand for the chance to break even lose a lot or maybe make a small profit people dont want to take the risk.Without TV it is a really difficult proposition.
Then there is the small matter of your bond and board tax to pay if you make a profit......
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 11:03
by Looking On
Im not looking at being a promoter , too much stress , ill leave that to others .
Maybe Damian or Carl Greaves or the Tony Harris/Jimmy Gill combination can do well in the area but like was stated by someone earlier its not cheap to do .
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 11:07
by damianhucker1

Ive not gone anywhere guys .
Im just not getting the time to post so often .
As Looking on said ive got a wedding coming up but when thats done ill be resuming the plan to turn pro .
I want to have sufficient funds for it to not be a flash in the pan

Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 11:15
by Andy
Not cheap when you factor in venue hire, ring hire, 2 refs, timekeeper, 2 doctors, paramedics, matchmaker, MC, ring girls, programme, advertising
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Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 11:41
by spudder56
damianhucker1 wrote:
Ive not gone anywhere guys .
Im just not getting the time to post so often .
As Looking on said ive got a wedding coming up but when thats done ill be resuming the plan to turn pro .
I want to have sufficient funds for it to not be a flash in the pan

Good Luck with it mate I think you will do well in Nottingham but the only way to do it is to do Ticket deal contracts and if it doesnt sell you could always Pull the show before you got in to deep then that puts the onus on Boxers to sell tickets coz if they want it to succeed they need to get out there and sell tickets simple as that The sport is going to go this way as much as the Board dont like ticket deal contracts We are living in the real world
Best of Luck to you Damian
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 12:13
by Looking On
spudder56 wrote:damianhucker1 wrote:
Ive not gone anywhere guys .
Im just not getting the time to post so often .
As Looking on said ive got a wedding coming up but when thats done ill be resuming the plan to turn pro .
I want to have sufficient funds for it to not be a flash in the pan

Good Luck with it mate I think you will do well in Nottingham but the only way to do it is to do Ticket deal contracts and if it doesnt sell you could always Pull the show before you got in to deep then that puts the onus on Boxers to sell tickets coz if they want it to succeed they need to get out there and sell tickets simple as that The sport is going to go this way as much as the Board dont like ticket deal contracts We are living in the real world
Best of Luck to you Damian
He does unlicensed shows so he will already be doing ticket deals
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 12:20
by spudder56
Looking On wrote:spudder56 wrote:damianhucker1 wrote:
Ive not gone anywhere guys .
Im just not getting the time to post so often .
As Looking on said ive got a wedding coming up but when thats done ill be resuming the plan to turn pro .
I want to have sufficient funds for it to not be a flash in the pan

Good Luck with it mate I think you will do well in Nottingham but the only way to do it is to do Ticket deal contracts and if it doesnt sell you could always Pull the show before you got in to deep then that puts the onus on Boxers to sell tickets coz if they want it to succeed they need to get out there and sell tickets simple as that The sport is going to go this way as much as the Board dont like ticket deal contracts We are living in the real world
Best of Luck to you Damian
He does unlicensed shows so he will already be doing ticket deals
I know mate and unless the promotor has TV backing Ticket deals are the only way to minimise the risk of losing money
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 12:46
by Looking On
I think pretty much everyone already works in that way unless im mistaken ????
Lets face it we havent got to re invent the wheel here , thats not meant in any way derogatory mate just think that anyone starting as a promoter would be expecting to lose money while they attempt to build a few names and then hopefully the become known enough to do some good numbers on tickets in the future , thats where i believe the risk is as they have to kind of speculate to accumalate , and they may never be able to actually afford to do that to start with so either they cant really build a boxer and thus fail as a promoter , its a fine line that is made easier with a bit of spare cash to burn , well at least thats my interpretation .
Re: To all Promoters
Posted: 22 Jan 2013, 12:53
by spudder56
Looking On wrote:I think pretty much everyone already works in that way unless im mistaken ????
Lets face it we havent got to re invent the wheel here , thats not meant in any way derogatory mate just think that anyone starting as a promoter would be expecting to lose money while they attempt to build a few names and then hopefully the become known enough to do some good numbers on tickets in the future , thats where i believe the risk is as they have to kind of speculate to accumalate , and they may never be able to actually afford to do that to start with so either they cant really build a boxer and thus fail as a promoter , its a fine line that is made easier with a bit of spare cash to burn , well at least thats my interpretation .
You obviously know the score mate Its amazing how many havent the faintest idea how it works