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He'll go a guilty manslaughter plea, get 8 do 3, maybe 4, if he behaves, minus the time hes done already done on remand. British judicial system can be crazy at times.

In serious trouble?

He killed a man. Deserves to get locked up for a lengthy amount of time.

My hearts with the other guys family, but what ever happened I'm sure he wasnt suppose to kill him.

Graham Brett has posted on here quite a bit. I'm sure more will come out about the story, we don't know what provoked the fight, as he only threw the one punch who could even get off if he can show he threw that punch in self defence. His age will work in his favour too.

Wales if you get 8 you do 4 end of.

Whats his addy on here?

mimmy123 wrote:Whats his addy on here?

Graham Brett I think, he always seemed a reasonable bloke.

I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

iftkwoody wrote:I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

One of the best posts I have ever read on here

thepocketrocket wrote:

iftkwoody wrote:I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

One of the best posts I have ever read on here

I'm sorry but I can't understand half of it. I know I wear glasses but am I missing something?

mimmy123 wrote:

thepocketrocket wrote:

iftkwoody wrote:I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

One of the best posts I have ever read on here

I'm sorry but I can't understand half of it. I know I wear glasses but am I missing something?

They must be friends. The only thing I took from the post is iftkwoody is actually the Hulk!

These situations are always easy to debate in the cold light of day.

Often the event starts and ends in 10 seconds - but has repercussions for both parties, sometimes forever.

Think it made plenty of sense. People who have boxed throw punches much harder than your average Joe. So when they hit, they can cause serious serious damage, even if they are justified at the time. That leaves them with not only feeling bad about killing someone, but a judiciary who takes VERY unkindly to people who have ther hands as lethal weapons using them.

Gomez, Delaney, Marcus Lee have all killed guys with their hands outside the ring. Delaney and Lee are doing time, Gomez was found not guilty, the circumstances pretty much matching Woody's

It is just hoped that the judiciary look at the facts of the case, not just the fact that boxers have fists that can kill and convicting accordingly

Parson Cross wrote:Wales if you get 8 you do 4 end of.

No you dont, depends on behaviour. My mate got 28 months and did 9. You get early if they accept you can do ROTL or HDC. Plus, your remand counts as time served. I dont think you can apply for HDC if you do over 4 but im pretty sure you can get ROTL.

Just read that Peter Nightingale (Midlands area champ and fought some quality guys) has got eight years for Manslaughter

I hate the way they say boxer as if the 50 year old man is still active!

It is not surprising to me for people to fight while having an argument in a boozer & it's no suprised a ex fighter is fighting!

There is no way anyone would wish to take a life & he must be devestated. You get lads who have boxed years without ever earning a stoppage & then you hear they knocked somebody out cold on the cobbles & it's like a freak incident

iftkwoody wrote:I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

Comes with the territory, if you are a known boxer, fighter, hard case or whatever - wankers will try it on and will try and test you so they can make a name on the back of yours. I hope this isn't a shock revelation at this stage. There are two things you can do - keep a low public profile or avoid the places where the wankers hang out which are nightclubs, pubs and kebab shops around chucking out time. I know it is shit and it is not fair but it will make these horrible situations vanish without trace.

Fat Git wrote:

iftkwoody wrote:I'm sorry for the other guys family but I feel this is the sort of thing that should go unpunished to a degree or carry a very lenient punishment I understand that he has killed someone but he hit the guy once most booked have done it been put had a few drinks got in an argument then had a fight got hit or hit someone and ponies forgotten it is just terrible luck the guy died. again I feel for his family I really do and I'm sure that if it was my family member killed I would be asking for the you to be locked up but if the story is the full story that it was just one punch then realistically is this guy the sort of guy that would benefit from prison???

I don't think so. No one knows what happened and what the situation was and even me writing this is wrong for all I know he could of walked up for no reason and hit the guy fully intending to kill him I doubt that but could be. I really feel for the boxer as well as god knows how he is feeling knowing he has killed someone and is probably going to spend a lon time in prison. I for one hope that sense is seen and the sentence reflects the crime of one punch. I apologize to anyone that disagrees but I've been in this situation before myself before I was boxing though

I was attacked outside a kebab shop by a group of lads one one of them repeatedly punched and kicked me until I was covered in lumps and bruises I was cut to pieces and bleeding everywhere I tried to walk away as I know its not clever to pick a fight with 9 or so lads but this broke guy wouldn't let me leave I was cornered down an alley and I was pleading to be left alone. The guy carried on hitting me and taunting me so I warned him he was pushing his luck and him and his friends laughed and taunted some more he then tried to attack me again I threw a punch with every piece of anger and hate I had and it was goodnight for the guy. His friends were to scared to do anything and I managed to run away. I was arrested 2 weeks later as the damage to the guys face was terrible he was in a coma type state for over 24 hardware after I hit him and he had to have his face repaired with plates and stiches etc. I was obviously sorry I did that to him and it wasn't what I intended but he pushed me till I had no choice. The charges were thrown out of court thankfully and sense prevailed. That guy could have easily died and I would have had to live with that knowing that he pushed me to do it. I don't think people should jump to conclusions and I hope that this is a situation where the truth comes out and whatever happens the boxer is punished according to his crime not the result of his crime.

Rant over sorry

Comes with the territory, if you are a known boxer, fighter, hard case or whatever - wankers will try it on and will try and test you so they can make a name on the back of yours. I hope this isn't a shock revelation at this stage. There are two things you can do - keep a low public profile or avoid the places where the wankers hang out which are nightclubs, pubs and kebab shops around chucking out time. I know it is shit and it is not fair but it will make these horrible situations vanish without trace.

Well said, CW.

I haven't been out in my local town for about a year and I have only been out once or twice in the last 3 years. I don't drink anymore hangovers hurt a lot and effect my training too much.

iftkwoody wrote:I haven't been out in my local town for about a year and I have only been out once or twice in the last 3 years. I don't drink anymore hangovers hurt a lot and effect my training too much.

Unlucky, but if you build a public profile and people 'know you' locally as a boxer then nights in are mandatory.

Reminds me of a story of Mark Owen when he was in Take That who thought because he was from around there he could still go out nightclubbing in Oldham, only for some nobhead to hit him (in a kebab shop/Chinese chippy) and shout 'take that' Mark Owen hasn't done anything to anyone but that won't stop the idiots.

Gary Stetch got KO'd in the spicy chicken in St Helens but that was thoroughly deserved by all accounts - what is it about kebab shops and violence?

Must be something in the meat..... horse maybe :-)

Fat Git wrote:

iftkwoody wrote:I haven't been out in my local town for about a year and I have only been out once or twice in the last 3 years. I don't drink anymore hangovers hurt a lot and effect my training too much.

Unlucky, but if you build a public profile and people 'know you' locally as a boxer then nights in are mandatory.

Reminds me of a story of Mark Owen when he was in Take That who thought because he was from around there he could still go out nightclubbing in Oldham, only for some nobhead to hit him (in a kebab shop/Chinese chippy) and shout 'take that' Mark Owen hasn't done anything to anyone but that won't stop the idiots.

Gary Stetch got KO'd in the spicy chicken in St Helens but that was thoroughly deserved by all accounts - what is it about kebab shops and violence?

Yep, Dean Francis and Martin Murray also been in the wrong place at the wrong time (i.e. Kebab shop late on). Curtis Woodhouse had more money, of course. His was in a sit-down Indian.

its amazing how many off these stories take place in a Kebab / Takeaway place

Maybe Frank-Warren should look to hire the Spicy chicken for one off his next Big shows

Yeah the blokes who work in these places have seen it all before. They know how easy it is to address the situation. Quick brandish of the "cooking" machete and piss head Charlie don't know how quite to react when he feels his arsehole dropping out of his pants.