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Refs and judges of the past; who have been some of the worst?

I'll throw one out there:
Rodolfo Hill, a judge from Panama who had Pedroza over Lockridge 149-139 in their first fight.
Now, I thought Pedroza won, but anyone who scored only one round for Lockridge in that entire fight is inept.

Okay, time for a ref:
Isidro Rodriguez.
His handling of Coggi/Gonzalez I says it all. He was banned for life, but that was rescinded, and he reffed again.
WBA.

The New York female judge Eugenia Williams who somehow scored the first Holyfield-Lewis fight for Evander. Even gave Holy the 5th round when he was battered all around the Garden. A disgrace she's still judging.

SenorPipino wrote:The New York female judge Eugenia Williams who somehow scored the first Holyfield-Lewis fight for Evander. Even gave Holy the 5th round when he was battered all around the Garden. A disgrace she's still judging.

She's still judging? Haven't seen her. Unbelieveable.

Roland Dakin. His 149-137 card for Alan Minter vs. the champion, Vito Antuofermo was among the worst I'd ever seen. I scored the fight either a draw or a one-point win for Antuofermo (based on a late, questionable KD) but rounds were close and either man could have gotten the decision. Dakin was accused of signaling Minter's corner, if I remember correctly. He came to the US for that fight with his mind made up that his countryman would take home the title. A real shame Dakin was allowed to judge title fights after that. If I remember correctly, a few years later he barely had Rocky Lockridge in front of Barry Michael in an utterly one-sided IBF jr featherweight title fight. Luckily Michael's corner threw in the towel so it didn't matter

Rover wrote:I'll throw one out there:
Rodolfo Hill, a judge from Panama who had Pedroza over Lockridge 149-139 in their first fight.
Now, I thought Pedroza won, but anyone who scored only one round for Lockridge in that entire fight is inept.

Good choice. Thought both fights were very close and there wasn't more than a few points between them

giacomino wrote:Roland Dakin. His 149-137 card for Alan Minter vs. the champion, Vito Antuofermo was among the worst I'd ever seen. I scored the fight either a draw or a one-point win for Antuofermo (based on a late, questionable KD) but rounds were close and either man could have gotten the decision. Dakin was accused of signaling Minter's corner, if I remember correctly. He came to the US for that fight with his mind made up that his countryman would take home the title. A real shame Dakin was allowed to judge title fights after that. If I remember correctly, a few years later he barely had Rocky Lockridge in front of Barry Michael in an utterly one-sided IBF jr featherweight title fight. Luckily Michael's corner threw in the towel so it didn't matter

He had it 77-75 Rocky.
No way Mintor won by 12.

Rover wrote:

giacomino wrote:Roland Dakin. His 149-137 card for Alan Minter vs. the champion, Vito Antuofermo was among the worst I'd ever seen. I scored the fight either a draw or a one-point win for Antuofermo (based on a late, questionable KD) but rounds were close and either man could have gotten the decision. Dakin was accused of signaling Minter's corner, if I remember correctly. He came to the US for that fight with his mind made up that his countryman would take home the title. A real shame Dakin was allowed to judge title fights after that. If I remember correctly, a few years later he barely had Rocky Lockridge in front of Barry Michael in an utterly one-sided IBF jr featherweight title fight. Luckily Michael's corner threw in the towel so it didn't matter

He had it 77-75 Rocky.
No way Mintor won by 12.

Re: Rocky. Really? I watched the fight live and thought Michael had nothing to keep Lockridge off him and that it was one-sided. Admittedly, i haven't watched it since.

I agree it was one-sided; you were right about Dakin's card, which was awful.
There also was a Japanese judge who had Fenech/Shingaki I 80-80 at the time of the stoppage in a fight that was also one0sided.

Rover wrote:I agree it was one-sided; you were right about Dakin's card, which was awful.
There also was a Japanese judge who had Fenech/Shingaki I 80-80 at the time of the stoppage in a fight that was also one0sided.

Oh, that's bad. French was crazy dominant

Another gem from Isidro Rodriguez:
He reffed Gomez/Lockridge.
His reffing wasn't the problem; his scoring was. I think he had it 146-142 Gomez.

A 4-point win for Rocky is being generous to Gomez, but a 4-point win for Gomez?
Mind-boggling.

Can't believe I forgot Van Hoy.
Diaz/Malignaggi I...Kirkland/Molina...yeah, he belongs.

Rover wrote:Another gem from Isidro Rodriguez:
He reffed Gomez/Lockridge.
His reffing wasn't the problem; his scoring was. I think he had it 146-142 Gomez.

A 4-point win for Rocky is being generous to Gomez, but a 4-point win for Gomez?
Mind-boggling.

Yeah, I was the biggest Bazooka Gomez fan around, back to his early days as 122 champ, but he was ridiculously faded, if not downright shot, by the time he fought Lockridge. He looked ready to go a few times and Lockridge was way ahead before he faded in the final third of the fight. The best I could have scored it for Gomez would have had him losing 144-141, and I was rooting for Bazooka big time. More realistically it was probably 145-140 Lockridge.

giacomino wrote:

Rover wrote:Another gem from Isidro Rodriguez:
He reffed Gomez/Lockridge.
His reffing wasn't the problem; his scoring was. I think he had it 146-142 Gomez.

A 4-point win for Rocky is being generous to Gomez, but a 4-point win for Gomez?
Mind-boggling.

Yeah, I was the biggest Bazooka Gomez fan around, back to his early days as 122 champ, but he was ridiculously faded, if not downright shot, by the time he fought Lockridge. He looked ready to go a few times and Lockridge was way ahead before he faded in the final third of the fight. The best I could have scored it for Gomez would have had him losing 144-141, and I was rooting for Bazooka big time. More realistically it was probably 145-140 Lockridge.

146-140 Rocky for me.

In terms of refs, I remember Roger Tilleman in Ottke vs Robin Reid warned Reid for cleanly punching Ottke ....in a boxing match. I think he thought it was a game of tag. It was the only time he refereed a title match and it showed. The bonus was that the scoring was bad too. So it was a twofer for Ottke

giacomino wrote:In terms of refs, I remember Roger Tilleman in Ottke vs Robin Reid warned Reid for cleanly punching Ottke ....in a boxing match. I think he thought it was a game of tag. It was the only time he refereed a title match and it showed. The bonus was that the scoring was bad too. So it was a twofer for Ottke

I remember that; absolutely horrible.
Add Alfred Asaro (as ref) to the list; have no idea what he was doing in the first round of Benn/McClellan, and it was compounded by his inability to speak English.

Tony Paolillo.
He's had seven title fights.
He had Santa Cruz over Casa 114-113. In that fight, he at least got the right winner, though the margin was waaaaaay too close.
Then, he scored Martinez/Burgos and had it 116-112, a reasonable card--except he had it for the wrong guy (Martinez).
He also had Tapia/Medina a draw if I remember right. (I know he was one of the judges, and it was a MD for Tapia, but I don't think he scored for him.) I thought Medina clearly won.
Pretty bad when you've only had 7 title fights.

foxy01 wrote:Well well, 19 posts and not one reference to that boring old chestnut, Richard Steele for stopping Meldrick Tay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,boo hoo hoo.

Blame Taylor's dimwit trainer who jumped on the apron, an act for which Steele would've had the right to DQ Taylor.

That 149-139 Pedroza-Lockridge I is one of the worst cards I've seen.

Not contenders for the worst ever refs, I suppose but:

Adrio Zannoni had a poor night in the Helenius-Chisora fight. Iirc correctly he kept fussily (and unjustly imo) warning Chisora about his head coming in and at one point even waved his hand right in front of Chisora's face as he was looking to get inside. Not sure if he's exhibited such madness in other fights tho.

Russell Mora had a bad night at the office in the first Mares-Agbeko fight, compounded by a truly terrible knock-down call. That followed him crazily allowing Montiel to continue vs Donaire.

It's strange that alot of the criticism Asaro gets is for the injuries McClellan sustained rather than the fact that he was solely responsible for Benn surviving the first round.

RadioElRadar wrote:That 149-139 Pedroza-Lockridge I is one of the worst cards I've seen.

Not contenders for the worst ever refs, I suppose but:

Adrio Zannoni had a poor night in the Helenius-Chisora fight. Iirc correctly he kept fussily (and unjustly imo) warning Chisora about his head coming in and at one point even waved his hand right in front of Chisora's face as he was looking to get inside. Not sure if he's exhibited such madness in other fights tho.

Russell Mora had a bad night at the office in the first Mares-Agbeko fight, compounded by a truly terrible knock-down call. That followed him crazily allowing Montiel to continue vs Donaire.

It's strange that alot of the criticism Asaro gets is for the injuries McClellan sustained rather than the fact that he was solely responsible for Benn surviving the first round.

Good mention of Mora.

And that's why I was criticizing Asaro.

Rover wrote:

RadioElRadar wrote: It's strange that alot of the criticism Asaro gets is for the injuries McClellan sustained rather than the fact that he was solely responsible for Benn surviving the first round.

Good mention of Mora.

And that's why I was criticizing Asaro.

Yup - there was a documentary last year about the Benn-McClellan fight and it focussed alot on the performance of Asaro but made no mention of what he did in the first round. Totally missing the point imo.

I haven't watched that fight recently but I don't recall there being any case for the fight to be stopped before McClellan allowed himself to be counted out. I'm fine apportioning blame where it's due, but the case against Asaro is his abysmal performance in the first round - it's just a strange perspective I sometimes come across on it.

Hell, if we're going to include recent past, I am going to add Patricia Morse Jaman's historically off-base 117-111 Shumenov over the champion Campillo. Shumenov won, maybe, three rounds in a fight that wasn't remotely close. She had Shumenov winning 9-3. So she not only mixed up who won a one-sided fight, she got it dramatically wrong. At least Dakin was cheating for country and Lockridge-Pedroza was a close fight judged poorly. Jaman's card was criminally incompetent and, unfortunately, she is still doing title fights, so we can expect another F-bomb of a scorecard any day

giacomino wrote:Hell, if we're going to include recent past, I am going to add Patricia Morse Jaman's historically off-base 117-111 Shumenov over the champion Campillo. Shumenov won, maybe, three rounds in a fight that wasn't remotely close. She had Shumenov winning 9-3. So she not only mixed up who won a one-sided fight, she got it dramatically wrong. At least Dakin was cheating for country and Lockridge-Pedroza was a close fight judged poorly. Jaman's card was criminally incompetent and, unfortunately, she is still doing title fights, so we can expect another F-bomb of a scorecard any day

Jarmon also had Vargas over DLH 97-94.
No way Vargas had that fight won through 10.
She also had an absurd 118-110 in Orlin Norris v. Arthur Williams I, a very close fight that many (not I) think Williams won. 118-110 Norris is indefensible, and the Showtime telecast even brought up during the telecast of the rematch how Jarmon later said she'd have scored three rounds the other way.

Rover wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:The New York female judge Eugenia Williams who somehow scored the first Holyfield-Lewis fight for Evander. Even gave Holy the 5th round when he was battered all around the Garden. A disgrace she's still judging.

She's still judging? Haven't seen her. Unbelieveable.

She's spent the past several years working primarily smaller cards in New Jersey. I think an embarrased boxing tried to hide her after the Lewis-Holyfield fight. She didn't work for nearly 5 years before resurfacing.