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Quinones would've whooped Hagler's ass!

And Konate would've put Hagler into a coma!

Il Duce wrote:You know,,,,,,,Carlos Monzon could have 'milked' the Middleweight Championship
for at least another year with,

'1978' Title Defenses against - Shako Mamba and Marcello Quionenes, and Idrissa Konate.

Or Harris. He'd already beaten Valdez twice; these ratings were before the second fight. He'd have beaten Briscoe again also.

Il Duce wrote:I think Bennie Briscoe lost to Vito Antuofermo in late-1977.

Don't think a 'third bout' with Bennie would have worked.

And fighting Vito, would not have been entertaining.

Probably an Argentinian bout at 'Luna Park' with Peruvian - #5 Marcelo Quionenes.

Or Muhammad Ali coming down for a bout.....it would have worked.......$$$$$$$$$$$$

Imagine the amount of money that would have pulled...........

Carlos could have come in at 170 lbs.

Not a middle defense, though; wouldn't he have been stripped? I thought we were talking about his milking the title.

I enjoy when you post these old rankings. Reminds you just how full of shit the alphabet boys have always been

Il Duce wrote:Oh Defenses,,,,,,,,,

* Shombo Araka in December 1977

* Marcello Quinones in early-1978.

* Then a last defense against 'Mike Colbert' on the September 1978 Spinks - Ali II bout.

* Where, Ali and Monzon strike up a 'Multi-Million Dollar' bout in Argentina for 1979....

The WBA doesn't strip either of them, as they want their 'sanctioning fee'..........$$$$$$

Where were Araka and Colbert rated?
Also, where (which division) would the Monzon/Ali fight take place for the WBA to sanction it?

giacomino wrote:I enjoy when you post these old rankings. Reminds you just how full of shit the alphabet boys have always been

Il Duce wrote:WBC Light Middleweight (June 1977)

*** Eckhard Dagge
#1. Eddie Gazo
#2. Maurice Hope
#3. Rocky Mattioli
#4. Elisha Obed
#5. Loucif Hamani
#6. Jose Luis Duran
#7. Mike Nixon
#8. Frank Wissenbach
#9. Kenji Shibata
#10 Joao Mendonca

Christ, I've never heard of 7-10.

Il Duce wrote:June 1977........The Heavyweights

*** Muhammad Ali
#1 - Ken Norton
#2 - Jimmy Young
#3 - Ron Lyle
#4 - Earnie Shavers
#5 - Joe Bugner
#6 - Larry Holmes
#7 - Alfredo Evangelista
#8 - Duane Bobick
#9 - Alfio Righetti
#10- Lorenzo Zanon

Whatever happened to that guy Larry Holmes...??

Whatever happened to Alfio?
BTW, have a thread up on Martinez that hopefully you can help with.

Did't Alfio draw with Neon Leon in leon's 'tuneup' for Ali?

bollox wrote:Did't Alfio draw with Neon Leon in leon's 'tuneup' for Ali?

No, Leon won.

I used to think Righetti was pretty decent in the 1970s, but then he got KO'd by the clubfighter Terry Mimms when he was 26 or 27 and that was it.

Il Duce wrote:1977 Heavyweight Bout that should have taken place.

Joe Bugner vs. Duane Bobick.

Muhammad Ali vs Alfredo Evangelista II..........in Spain.

The first fight was awful. Glad we didn't get a second.

Il Duce wrote:I meant it as,,,,,,

Forced punishment for Muhammad Ali.

He did say that Alfredo Evangelista was the 'second' best 'Heavyweight in the World' after their May 1977 bout.

Prediction,,,,,,,,,Alfredo Evangelista 'upsets' Muhammad Ali in Madrid, Spain in September 1977.

Muhammad Ali claims that all 'Spaniards' are racists......especially the ''3" scoring officials.

Ali wouldn't have agreed to three Spanish officials. I doubt the sanctioning body would have either.
15 rounds of that was plenty.

Il Duce wrote:Mike Nixon,,,,,

Mid-1977......#8 WBC / #5 WBA Light Middleweight

An upstate Binghamton, New York fighter who moved to Northern California and was
handled by legendary Boxing Trainer - Mel Epstein

Married - Wilma Quarry (Jerry and Mike Quarry's sister)

A decent and entertaining {5' 9" ~ 155 lb.} smooth boxer, who was a fan favorite.

Though he was labeled the 'California Knockout Artist', Mike was not really
a big puncher.

'Upset' undefeated Middleweight-prospect - Mike Rossman in 1975.

Scored a 'major upset' in December 1976, when he travelled to South Africa
and 'stopped' #3 WBA-ranked Light Middleweight - Gert Steyn.

The 25 year-old was 27-7-1 {10 KO's} in June 1977 - and was supposed to face
WBA Light Middleweight Champion - Eddie Gazo in September 1977, but,,,,,,

Moved up to Middleweight, and was 'stopped' by Vito Antuofermo in December 1977.

Retired after that loss.

Dumb business move.

Il Duce wrote:WBA Light Middleweight Champion - Eddie Gazo wanted an $80,000 Fight Purse
to go to California in September 1977..

They couldn't come up with the 'guarantee', and no Television Network was interested
in that bout.

Eddie Gazo went..........Japanese........YEN...... DD

He probably would've kept his title.

Mike Nixon was as deceptive as his in laws (Jerry, Mike Quarry) when you wrote him off or disrespected his talents, IT WAS KAYO TIME. -Gert Steyn, HE GAVE a frightful whipping, Upset Rossman, beat Willie Warren, should have been credited with a ten count ninth round KO. FROM A BODY SHOT over Dave "Sugar" Love . (Love said he was hit low and unable to continue)-No Decision (Angelo Dundee in Love's corner) he beat a series of California, Mexico Hispanic Fighter's , who were tough as nails, if their record was 1-1 (the 1 was for 100 bouts) . they did not calculate fight records , very well In those days, Nixon's record himself was a very deceptive 27-8-1, for he could take your head off, with a Right or a Left hook, as well as a very astute boxer, gave "Sugar Ray" Seales a spirited bout in Seattle!

AND THE BIGGEST DECEPTIVE thing about Nixon was his 10 Ko's in 37 bouts, 2 0f his last three knockouts were one punch! and they other WBA #3 Steyn who took 5 counts himself, one 17 seconds as Nixon took his time to a neutral corner. Mike also rocked Antuofermo with a first round right hand, that never happened much!
No my $ would be on Nixon if he fought any of those Light Middleweight champions in 1977, Gazo, Dagge etc.
Nixon himself told me he was ranked by both WBA, WBC-and I did not believe him - but in those days you seldom saw their ratings in any publication, since his brother in law the late great Jerry Quarry retired in 1975.