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Will Brook be the next very unlucky fighter from Wincobank?

Juniors talents made him a world champion but he was largely very unlucky and is still fighting today to make a living.

These Brook injuries. Is he heading the same way?

Discuss. ( if you want to)

Witter had his chances in the limelight and he blew it.

Brook shouldn't be injuring himself in training. He should look after himself more.

Neither has really been unlucky.

Horse wrote:Witter had his chances in the limelight and he blew it.

Brook shouldn't be injuring himself in training. He should look after himself more.

Neither has really been unlucky.

How can you conclude the injuries are preventable and through a lack of self-care?

Finch wrote:How can you conclude the injuries are preventable and through a lack of self-care?

Why should I not be able to?

Horse wrote:

Finch wrote:How can you conclude the injuries are preventable and through a lack of self-care?

Why should I not be able to?

He said how. As do I.

How?

DMA1987 wrote:He said how. As do I.

How?

Injuries are totally unpreventable are they?

He's been injured twice in the lead up to this fight. He is doing something wrong in my opinion.

The gym that Brook trains in is a very long standing and professional set up; Brook is a young, fit man in his prime. By doing selected movements/exercises then Brook ought to be able to manage the strain/load without suffering injury IMO. Brook doesn't look at all fragile and doesn't look to do loads of weights so there's no real reason for him to be getting injured seriously,though I'm not an expert and just an armchair fan and can believe that these things happen from time to time.

Horse wrote:
Neither has really been unlucky.

Whatyoutalkingabouthorse?

Horse wrote:

Finch wrote:How can you conclude the injuries are preventable and through a lack of self-care?

Why should I not be able to?

Err... perhaps because you have zero insight, knowledge or evidence on which to base your conclusion...

Deserter wrote:

Horse wrote:

Finch wrote:How can you conclude the injuries are preventable and through a lack of self-care?

Why should I not be able to?

Err... perhaps because you have zero insight, knowledge or evidence on which to base your conclusion...

Uh oh

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:Whatyoutalkingabouthorse?

Witter was utterly pathetic and unwilling to take any risks against a shot to pieces Corley for the vacant WBC title. In that fight he should have been looking to put on a show to try to get a fight against Hatton.

Hatton was in the studio dumbfounded by Witter's spineless performance. Witter's performance was a disgrace.

Deserter wrote:Err... perhaps because you have zero insight, knowledge or evidence on which to base your conclusion...

Hello, bullyboy.

Do you not think a fighter is capable of training for a fight without getting injured twice?

Horse wrote:

Deserter wrote:Err... perhaps because you have zero insight, knowledge or evidence on which to base your conclusion...

Hello, bullyboy.

Do you not think a fighter is capable of training for a fight without getting injured twice?

I think it completely depends on an entire series of variables, none of which we're privvy to, which is why you can't make a definitive conclusion at this stage. Someone like Darren Barker suffers far more than someone like Marvin Hagler in terms of injuries, doesn't make them any less valid.
What do you know about Brooks training regime that has led you to this conclusion? The fact is you don't. For example, if one of the two injuries was caused by tripping up in the street one morning when he wasn't training, would you still maintain your conclusion that his set-up is at fault?

Horse wrote:

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:Whatyoutalkingabouthorse?

Witter was utterly pathetic and unwilling to take any risks against a shot to pieces Corley for the vacant WBC title. In that fight he should have been looking to put on a show to try to get a fight against Hatton.

Hatton was in the studio dumbfounded by Witter's spineless performance. Witter's performance was a disgrace.

But he won?
Didnt Hatton avoid Witter for a while?
After all the obstacles I am not surprised it was a cautious fight.

Deserter wrote:I think it completely depends on an entire series of variables, none of which we're privvy to, which is why you can't make a definitive conclusion at this stage. Someone like Darren Barker suffers far more than someone like Marvin Hagler in terms of injuries, doesn't make them any less valid.
What do you know about Brooks training regime that has led you to this conclusion? The fact is you don't. For example, if one of the two injuries was caused by tripping up in the street one morning when he wasn't training, would you still maintain your conclusion that his set-up is at fault?

Brook should be watching where he steps. Brook has had two seperate injuries in the lead up to this fight, that is unusual.

He has lost my benefit of the doubt, others can make what they will of his predicament.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:But he won?

He beat Corley in a safety first performance. So what?

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:Didnt Hatton avoid Witter for a while?

Witter made it an easy fight to avoid.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:After all the obstacles I am not surprised it was a cautious fight.

His cowardly performance against Corley significantly reduced the chances of Hatton vs Witter taking place.

Do you remember his stupid fighting stance in that fight?

Horse wrote:

Deserter wrote:I think it completely depends on an entire series of variables, none of which we're privvy to, which is why you can't make a definitive conclusion at this stage. Someone like Darren Barker suffers far more than someone like Marvin Hagler in terms of injuries, doesn't make them any less valid.
What do you know about Brooks training regime that has led you to this conclusion? The fact is you don't. For example, if one of the two injuries was caused by tripping up in the street one morning when he wasn't training, would you still maintain your conclusion that his set-up is at fault?

Brook should be watching where he steps. Brook has had two seperate injuries in the lead up to this fight, that is unusual.

He has lost my benefit of the doubt, others can make what they will of his predicament.

I actually agree with what you're saying here, both in terms of it being unusual and in terms of losing the benefit of the doubt from some of us. All I'm saying is that you can't definitively conclude what it is, as it's not impossible that it's all completely genuine. Hopefully the truth will come out in the wash...

Horse wrote:

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:But he won?

He beat Corley in a safety first performance. So what?

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:Didnt Hatton avoid Witter for a while?

Witter made it an easy fight to avoid.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:After all the obstacles I am not surprised it was a cautious fight.

His cowardly performance against Corley significantly reduced the chances of Hatton vs Witter taking place.

Do you remember his stupid fighting stance in that fight?

Nayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Hatton conned the public, he lies, he dodged and moved goal posts.

Thank God for the Benns and Eubanks who did it for the uk fans.
As the saying goes, you can lead a HORSE to water but you can't make him DR(TH)INK!


Nahhhaaayyy!

From what I gather it's the same injury that has recurred (or at least related to the last one) and that it wasn't properly diagnosed last time out. It's not like he's clocking up a load of different injuries due to lack of care. I also don't think he's "ducking" Alexander as a few people have suggested. This is the 3rd postponement. If he was ducking him they had a perfect chance after the first 2 to go another route.

PS Hatton vs Witter talk on every single thread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

Nayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Hatton conned the public, he lies, he dodged and moved goal posts.

Thank God for the Benns and Eubanks who did it for the uk fans.
As the saying goes, you can lead a HORSE to water but you can't make him DR(TH)INK!


Nahhhaaayyy!

Hatton didn't need Witter. At that time, he moved on to face Castillo in Vegas and to take of Mayweather. Much more appealing options than fighting an extremely tricky fighter who is a level below

Witter's 'bad luck' is much in part to his horribly boring style, his fights were so dire if I'm ever suffering from insomnia I find a Junior Witter fight sends me off to a deep sleep.

winkveron wrote:From what I gather it's the same injury that has recurred (or at least related to the last one) and that it wasn't properly diagnosed last time out. It's not like he's clocking up a load of different injuries due to lack of care. I also don't think he's "ducking" Alexander as a few people have suggested. This is the 3rd postponement. If he was ducking him they had a perfect chance after the first 2 to go another route.

PS Hatton vs Witter talk on every single thread zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

last time it was achilles related, this time its meta-tarsal/navicular related, might be on the end of the same limb, but completely different injuries!!

consider yourself educated!...

It's Brook or his teams fault that he's had to pull out, a stress fracture is down to overuse, so he's trained too hard and his body hasn't been able to take the load.

Kell has been really unlucky with injuries, lets not forget, he was good to go and Alexander pulled the last date.

It happens, and I dont think they are comparable really.

expe wrote:It's Brook or his teams fault that he's had to pull out, a stress fracture is down to overuse, so he's trained too hard and his body hasn't been able to take the load.

does not always work like that, a marathon runner can get a stress fracture even though they have doen the same training for 12 marathons before. its like spraining an ankle or jarring an achilles or a hamstring. injuries happen, they are part of sport im afraid. looks like the brook alexander fight is destined not to happen. maybe kell should change his line of attack to knocking amir khan out! this would give kell mega incentive as im sure he is well fed up of the alexander scenario.