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Who wins this battle of British heavies with less than stellar chins?

I think a peak Herbie Hide before he fought Bowe would have probably stopped fury in a few rounds, but saying that Herbie didnt have a good chin either. I think its a toss of a coin fight but would edge Herbie Hide

mimmy123 wrote:I think a peak Herbie Hide before he fought Bowe would have probably stopped fury in a few rounds, but saying that Herbie didnt have a good chin either. I think its a toss of a coin fight but would edge Herbie Hide

I feel the same way, though Fury still may improve.

Rover wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I think a peak Herbie Hide before he fought Bowe would have probably stopped fury in a few rounds, but saying that Herbie didnt have a good chin either. I think its a toss of a coin fight but would edge Herbie Hide

I feel the same way, though Fury still may improve.

fury will improve...he is only 24
with proper training he will go far


i wish emmanuel steward was still around
or even eddie futch

MEISINGER wrote:

Rover wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I think a peak Herbie Hide before he fought Bowe would have probably stopped fury in a few rounds, but saying that Herbie didnt have a good chin either. I think its a toss of a coin fight but would edge Herbie Hide

I feel the same way, though Fury still may improve.

fury will improve...he is only 24
with proper training he will go far


i wish emmanuel steward was still around
or even eddie futch

He can't improve his chin.
I wish the same about those trainers.

so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

actually if my count is correct wlad has been knocked down 11 times

Fury by stoppage in five or six rounds.

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Fury has good recuperative powers, he doesn't stay hurt for long.

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Wlad was stopped by Purity after he got exhausted.
He was stopped by two huge punchers, Sanders and Brewster.
Fury's appeared nearly gone from two guys who aren't big punchers.

MEISINGER wrote:actually if my count is correct wlad has been knocked down 11 times

4 against Sanders...3 against Peter...Williamson...Brewster...Purity...I don't remember the allocation.

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Wlad was stopped by Purity after he got exhausted.
He was stopped by two huge punchers, Sanders and Brewster.
Fury's appeared nearly gone from two guys who aren't big punchers.

rover what can you not understand
no one is arguing the guy has superman whiskers
fighters with weaker chins have become champions

fury needs to work on defense the same as wlad
if wlad never had emanuel in his corner
the guy would not be champion today

fury can protect his chin


oh and u r still a d.ick

MEISINGER wrote:

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Wlad was stopped by Purity after he got exhausted.
He was stopped by two huge punchers, Sanders and Brewster.
Fury's appeared nearly gone from two guys who aren't big punchers.

rover what can you not understand
no one is arguing the guy has superman whiskers
fighters with weaker chins have become champions

fury needs to work on defense the same as wlad
if wlad never had emanuel in his corner
the guy would not be champion today

fury can protect his chin


oh and u r still a d.ick

MEISINGER wrote:

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Wlad was stopped by Purity after he got exhausted.
He was stopped by two huge punchers, Sanders and Brewster.
Fury's appeared nearly gone from two guys who aren't big punchers.

rover what can you not understand
no one is arguing the guy has superman whiskers
fighters with weaker chins have become champions

fury needs to work on defense the same as wlad
if wlad never had emanuel in his corner
the guy would not be champion today

fury can protect his chin


oh and u r still a d.ick

Fury is no Wlad.

instead of saying fury is no wlad

give me specific reasons why fury
can not become champion
if he works on defense

vitali you may as well say is retired
wlad is 37 years old and on his way out

who on this vast wasteland called the heavyweight
division is so much better than a 6 ft 9 inch monster?

just who will be the champion in 3-5 years from now

fury is stepping up fighting contenders no one else
seems to want to fight other contenders
fury keeps upping his game

MEISINGER wrote:instead of saying fury is no wlad

give me specific reasons why fury
can not become champion
if he works on defense

vitali you may as well say is retired
wlad is 37 years old and on his way out

who on this vast wasteland called the heavyweight
division is so much better than a 6 ft 9 inch monster?

just who will be the champion in 3-5 years from now

fury is stepping up fighting contenders no one else
seems to want to fight other contenders
fury keeps upping his game

I said Fury is no Wlad.
I never said he couldn't win a belt.
Sure he could--in a post-Klit era, of course.
There's no way he'll be champ while the Klits are around.

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:actually if my count is correct wlad has been knocked down 11 times

4 against Sanders...3 against Peter...Williamson...Brewster...Purity...I don't remember the allocation.

Also down against Steve Pannell.

He's been down at least 13 times, possibly 15 I'd have to check.

loaded_gloves wrote:

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:actually if my count is correct wlad has been knocked down 11 times

4 against Sanders...3 against Peter...Williamson...Brewster...Purity...I don't remember the allocation.

Also down against Steve Pannell.

He's been down at least 13 times, possibly 15 I'd have to check.

Geez, and I thought Floyd Patterson was bad! (His career today of knock-downs was apparently 19). You'd have to favour the first one to land cleanly to win. Total 50/50 who that would be - maybe Hide's speed in the first two rounds would be decisive?!

loaded_gloves wrote:

Rover wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:actually if my count is correct wlad has been knocked down 11 times

4 against Sanders...3 against Peter...Williamson...Brewster...Purity...I don't remember the allocation.

Also down against Steve Pannell.

He's been down at least 13 times, possibly 15 I'd have to check.

Forget about Pannell. Christ. At least 15?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:so wlad did not improve improve his defense to
compensate for his chin?

wlad has been knocked out 3 times
and knocked down numerous other times

fury can work on this

Fury has good recuperative powers, he doesn't stay hurt for long.

He hasn't fought a good puncher yet, so we'll see how well he recovers when he gets clocked by someone with a punch.

Fury does still have time to improve, but he looks crude even by the standards of the current HW crop. OTOH he is quite large.

He'll definitely be knocked cold at some point. He just looks more like Tommy Morrison than Duane Bobick in that category. His size, heart, stamina and willingness to fight make him the most watchable Heavyweight in the world.

Down against Pannel, Puritty x2, Sanders x4, Brewster x2, Williamson, Peter x3 - 13 times in all.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'll definitely be knocked cold at some point. He just looks more like Tommy Morrison than Duane Bobick in that category. His size, heart, stamina and willingness to fight make him the most watchable Heavyweight in the world.

Agree about the Bobick/Morrison analogy, although Bobick got stopped by fighters light years better than anyone that Fury has faced yet, so the jury is still out. He can be fun to watch, but his punching technique is so crude I find it almost painful to watch. He makes Jack O'Halloran look skilled.

The Great John L wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'll definitely be knocked cold at some point. He just looks more like Tommy Morrison than Duane Bobick in that category. His size, heart, stamina and willingness to fight make him the most watchable Heavyweight in the world.

Agree about the Bobick/Morrison analogy, although Bobick got stopped by fighters light years better than anyone that Fury has faced yet, so the jury is still out. He can be fun to watch, but his punching technique is so crude I find it almost painful to watch. He makes Jack O'Halloran look skilled.

I don't recall Bobick ever recovering from being hurt, so I'm comfortable saying he isn't in that company. Luckily for Fury he doesn't have to worry about a Ken Norton, there are plenty of Kallie Knoetzee's though. He wasn't light years better than anyone.

Fury's main weakness to me isn't a weak chin, it's how sloppy his approach is. When he's really going for it and attacking hard, he's wide open for almost any kind of punch. He gets off-balance when he throws hard right hands, if he misses he winds up standing southpaw or just squared up altogether. He definitely still needs a lot of work on his technique no doubt. Cunningham caught him with the huge right hand in the 2nd and caught him flush on a few more occasions in the 3rd and 4th rounds, wobbling him pretty clearly.

Fury's got a lot of heart, but his technique is still very amateurish. He has SO much he can improve.

You can't teach heart though and you also can't teach BIG. He has both of those things. Everything else can come if he works on it.