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I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

when he sells what? His channel im assuming you mean?

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

No. The TV Channel won't work unless he can put on 3 or 4 big in house promoted shows per year. The TV Channel is a big, expensive venture, and needs more time to become profitable, all of the time, i.e. long term subsribers not just short term subscribers which he will get for one off's like Haye - Chisora. I think in reality he is better off with less boxers, then use them for each promotion. He just needs to forget what Eddie is doing. Ultimately Eddie is the top dog right now, but he is at the mercy of Sky and they hold all the cards, the exclusive contract might not be renewed. If Frank can get his house in order, plan 4 big shows a year, continue broadcasting the international fights, he could end up in a much stronger position, which would then allow a move into smaller shows.

That's the way I see it.

columbo wrote:

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

When he sells to BT Vison ( Allegedly ) he will be the biggest UK Promoter. Do not mess wth the Bunny Man!

when he sells what? His channel im assuming you mean?

Yep - believe me, it's a good buy for BT Vision in the near future ( 12-18 months).

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

No. The TV Channel won't work unless he can put on 3 or 4 big in house promoted shows per year. The TV Channel is a big, expensive venture, and needs more time to become profitable, all of the time, i.e. long term subsribers not just short term subscribers which he will get for one off's like Haye - Chisora. I think in reality he is better off with less boxers, then use them for each promotion. He just needs to forget what Eddie is doing. Ultimately Eddie is the top dog right now, but he is at the mercy of Sky and they hold all the cards, the exclusive contract might not be renewed. If Frank can get his house in order, plan 4 big shows a year, continue broadcasting the international fights, he could end up in a much stronger position, which would then allow a move into smaller shows.

That's the way I see it.

Very well thought out reply!

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

No. The TV Channel won't work unless he can put on 3 or 4 big in house promoted shows per year. The TV Channel is a big, expensive venture, and needs more time to become profitable, all of the time, i.e. long term subsribers not just short term subscribers which he will get for one off's like Haye - Chisora. I think in reality he is better off with less boxers, then use them for each promotion. He just needs to forget what Eddie is doing. Ultimately Eddie is the top dog right now, but he is at the mercy of Sky and they hold all the cards, the exclusive contract might not be renewed. If Frank can get his house in order, plan 4 big shows a year, continue broadcasting the international fights, he could end up in a much stronger position, which would then allow a move into smaller shows.

That's the way I see it.

Bt Vision will need a Boxing Arm, just wait and see.

The business model ofr allegedly always showed it was a longer term venture ( if you believe Bunny) - just wait and see.

Box.Nation should be a staple for all fans of Boxing imo. SKY rips us off imo - and so far B.Nation are delivering more content and good content imo.

BT Vison do not nhed SKY, if he sells to them then good times for all I say!

BT already eating into SKY football pie.

Wariorbox has made an excellent post further up.

Mr Warren definitely shouldn't (and won't) stop with what he is doing but he will probably be forced to change things slightly with less shows per year. He still has some good fighters than can top bills and generate interest, it is just a case of making the right fights. Chisora v Wilder if it comes off is one of these kind of fights in my opinion.

columbo wrote:

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

No. The TV Channel won't work unless he can put on 3 or 4 big in house promoted shows per year. The TV Channel is a big, expensive venture, and needs more time to become profitable, all of the time, i.e. long term subsribers not just short term subscribers which he will get for one off's like Haye - Chisora. I think in reality he is better off with less boxers, then use them for each promotion. He just needs to forget what Eddie is doing. Ultimately Eddie is the top dog right now, but he is at the mercy of Sky and they hold all the cards, the exclusive contract might not be renewed. If Frank can get his house in order, plan 4 big shows a year, continue broadcasting the international fights, he could end up in a much stronger position, which would then allow a move into smaller shows.

That's the way I see it.

Very well thought out reply!

I think where Frank needs to change is in his approach to the boxing fans, essentially his core audience on TV and his promoted shows. He's in a situation now where the fans actually want him to fail, he obviously isn't running his own social media, and there isn't much activity anyway. Eddie on the other hand is on Twitter all the time, and he takes the time to answer any questions people have, so he has built a foundation with the core audience who think butter wouldn't melt. It's a clever albeit not unique strategy to build awareness for what he is doing.

Eddie will implode.

There is already dissent from many of us re: the PPV they are lining up after we pay asmall fortune for Boxing. I don't wat any other sport apart from UFC/MMA and SKY dont have that.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:

warriorbox wrote:

columbo wrote:I know this has been mentioned before so shout outs to whoever brought it up first! Anyway im wondering whether Frank should just retire from promoting and put all his time and money into his channel! Its become a really good niche channel for boxing fans and at the moment I imagine its the promotional stuff that causes him more pain financially with all these fighters he's losing to matchroom! What do you guys think?

No. The TV Channel won't work unless he can put on 3 or 4 big in house promoted shows per year. The TV Channel is a big, expensive venture, and needs more time to become profitable, all of the time, i.e. long term subsribers not just short term subscribers which he will get for one off's like Haye - Chisora. I think in reality he is better off with less boxers, then use them for each promotion. He just needs to forget what Eddie is doing. Ultimately Eddie is the top dog right now, but he is at the mercy of Sky and they hold all the cards, the exclusive contract might not be renewed. If Frank can get his house in order, plan 4 big shows a year, continue broadcasting the international fights, he could end up in a much stronger position, which would then allow a move into smaller shows.

That's the way I see it.

Bt Vision will need a Boxing Arm, just wait and see.

The business model ofr Allegedly channel always showed it was a longer term venture ( if you believe Bunny) - just wait and see.

Box.Nation should be a staple for all fans of Boxing imo. SKY rips us off imo - and so far B.Nation are delivering more content and good content imo.

There is no guarantee BT Vision will invest in boxing or buy allegedly, just as likely they will give allegedly favourable rates to be on the platform and use that as their boxing arm. Why buy it if they can profit from selling the space?

[quote="warriorbox
There is no guarantee BT Vision will invest in boxing or buy Allegedly channel, just as likely they will give Allegedly channel favourable rates to be on the platform and use that as their boxing arm. Why buy it if they can profit from selling the space?[/quote]

I believe it will happen. No facts but I believe.

Ratchet Exits Nu wrote:[quote="warriorbox
There is no guarantee BT Vision will invest in boxing or buy Allegedly channel, just as likely they will give Allegedly channel favourable rates to be on the platform and use that as their boxing arm. Why buy it if they can profit from selling the space?

I believe it will happen. No facts but I believe.

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I suspect there are very few exclusive broadcasting agreements between allegedly and the international promoters, so any TV station could bid for the rights to screen the events, at the moment Sky don't want them, so allegedly are probably picking these fights up very cheap, but there is nothing to say BT won't just look to start outbidding allegedly, hence another reason why Frank needs big UK shows, so he has something of value to BT, if selling the channel to BT is an option.

No....... don't you know Our Frank is eternal, he's a mutherfcuking highlander

This is like saying 'should someone retire from making money'

Chambers2 wrote:No....... don't you know Our Frank is eternal, he's a mutherfcuking highlander

Thijs is def true

danconnollyeire wrote:This is like saying 'should someone retire from making money'

well at the moment he's probably losing a lot of money. Thats the point.

Who says Wazza's losing money ?
If Wazza retires from Promoting, what's going to be shown on allegedly or BT Vision if sold ?
I suspect that Wazza is simply keeping his powder dry and then when his comeback is complete get ready.
Like him or loathe him, he's no man's fool.

jeez hes had a rough 6 months that's all, it doesn't seem a lifetime ago haye vs chisora made the front pages and was a huge success. He will still put on two of the biggest three shows of the year i'd wager.

stevieb_8006 wrote:jeez hes had a rough 6 months that's all, it doesn't seem a lifetime ago haye vs chisora made the front pages and was a huge success. He will still put on two of the biggest three shows of the year i'd wager.

Yeah but its a REALLLY rough 6 months! He's losing his headliners by the week it seems at the moment!

Chambers2 wrote:No....... don't you know Our Frank is eternal, he's a mutherfcuking highlander

Indeed! He is like air...

Him always deh bout!

Chambers2 wrote:No....... don't you know Our Frank is eternal, he's a mutherfcuking highlander

There can be only one.

Unless you count no 1 son in which case there are two.

columbo wrote:

danconnollyeire wrote:This is like saying 'should someone retire from making money'

well at the moment he's probably losing a lot of money. Thats the point.

Start up costs, mate.

He has deep financial backing, he will ride it out, and the only creditor is.....HIMSELF! He said it and I believe it.

columbo wrote:

stevieb_8006 wrote:jeez hes had a rough 6 months that's all, it doesn't seem a lifetime ago haye vs chisora made the front pages and was a huge success. He will still put on two of the biggest three shows of the year i'd wager.

Yeah but its a REALLLY rough 6 months! He's losing his headliners by the week it seems at the moment!

Burns does not cost or make allegedly much money. Steady money, but he is no Hatton/Khan.

HE SURVIVED BOTH.