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Just a random thought - why if Ali was drafted, refused and was stripped, didn't Joe Fraser also go through the same process? Was he not fit for duty? Or too young?

IIRC it was because Ali chose to take the exam to get into the army but failed and was then reclassified with a pass after war broke out

It's weird Ali was penalised everything, and Joe could just slide in and never have any issues with being called a draft dodger.

Of all the champions, if there was ever a man who didn't get criticised for obviously dodging a war, it was Jess Willard. He claimed that he was simply 'too big' for the Army and had failed an examination. When the military found out about these claims they let it be known in the papers that they would be willing to accept Willard at any time. He shut his mouth and continued giving exhibitions while doing engagements with the Barnum and Bailey's circus. Jesus bless.

polecateddy wrote:It's weird Ali was penalised everything, and Joe could just slide in and never have any issues with being called a draft dodger.

That's because he didn't dodge the draft. Frazier had a wife and children so he was not drafted.

Il Duce wrote:Correct HH,

Joe Frazier was Married with Children, and was pushed way down the Selective Service list.

I believe Cassius Clay signed up for Selective Services immediately after turning 18 years of age,
which was required.

If Cassius had proper 'legal advice' he would have been able to 'scoot' around the U.S. Selective Services.

Boxing Exhibitions at U.S. Military Bases would have been 'praised and accepted'.

Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You,,,,,,,,,,Ask What You Can Do For Your Country.....

wow that is a new one on me.
my 2 of my uncles were drafted and served in nam
both had children

my neighbor was a drafted nam vet with children
and 2 friends of mine were drafted with kids and wives both serving in nam

Vietnam era draft classifications.

1-A Available for military service
1-AM Medical specialist available for military service
1-A-O Conscientious objector available for noncombatant
military service
1-A-OM Medical specialist conscientious objector available
for noncombatant military service
1-C Member of the Armed Forces of the United States, the
Coast and Geodetic Survey, or the Public Health Service
(Enl)-enlisted; (Ind)-Inducted; (Dis)-discharged
1-D Member of a Reserve component or student taking military
training
**1-H Registrant not currently subject to processing for
induction or alternate service
1-O Conscientious objector available for civilian work
contributing to the national health, safety, or interest
1-OM Medical specialist conscientious objector available for
civilian work contributing to the national health,
safety, or interest
1-S Student deferred by statute: (H)-high school; (C)-college
1-W Conscientious objector performing civilian work in the
national health, safety, or interest (Rel)-released
***1-Y Registrant qualified for service only in time of war
or national emergency
2-A Registrant deferred because of civilian occupation
(except agriculture)
2-AM Medical specialist deferred because of critical
community need involving patient care
2-C Registrant deferred because of agricultural occupation
2-D Registrant deferred because of study in preparation
for the ministry
2-M Registrant deferred for medical study
2-S Registrant deferred because of activity in study
3-A Registrant with a child or children; or registrant
deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents
4-A Registrant who has completed service; or sole surviving son
4-B Official deferred by law
4-C Alien
4-D Minister of religion or divinity student
4-E Conscientious objector opposed to both combatant and
noncombatant training and service
4-F Registrant not qualified for military service
4-FM Medical specialist not qualified for military service
4-G Sole surviving son
4-W Conscientious objector who has completed civilian
alternate service
5-A Registrant over the age of liability for military service

I have no explanation for any of the people that you know, but I remember this all too well.

The Great John L wrote:Vietnam era draft classifications.

1-A Available for military service
1-AM Medical specialist available for military service
1-A-O Conscientious objector available for noncombatant
military service
1-A-OM Medical specialist conscientious objector available
for noncombatant military service
1-C Member of the Armed Forces of the United States, the
Coast and Geodetic Survey, or the Public Health Service
(Enl)-enlisted; (Ind)-Inducted; (Dis)-discharged
1-D Member of a Reserve component or student taking military
training
**1-H Registrant not currently subject to processing for
induction or alternate service
1-O Conscientious objector available for civilian work
contributing to the national health, safety, or interest
1-OM Medical specialist conscientious objector available for
civilian work contributing to the national health,
safety, or interest
1-S Student deferred by statute: (H)-high school; (C)-college
1-W Conscientious objector performing civilian work in the
national health, safety, or interest (Rel)-released
***1-Y Registrant qualified for service only in time of war
or national emergency
2-A Registrant deferred because of civilian occupation
(except agriculture)
2-AM Medical specialist deferred because of critical
community need involving patient care
2-C Registrant deferred because of agricultural occupation
2-D Registrant deferred because of study in preparation
for the ministry
2-M Registrant deferred for medical study
2-S Registrant deferred because of activity in study
3-A Registrant with a child or children; or registrant
deferred by reason of extreme hardship to dependents
4-A Registrant who has completed service; or sole surviving son
4-B Official deferred by law
4-C Alien
4-D Minister of religion or divinity student
4-E Conscientious objector opposed to both combatant and
noncombatant training and service
4-F Registrant not qualified for military service
4-FM Medical specialist not qualified for military service
4-G Sole surviving son
4-W Conscientious objector who has completed civilian
alternate service
5-A Registrant over the age of liability for military service

I have no explanation for any of the people that you know, but I remember this all too well.

serious question...would you have to prove hardship?
or just having a kid qualifies you for hardship??

thanks in advance

MEISINGER wrote:serious question...would you have to prove hardship?
or just having a kid qualifies you for hardship??

thanks in advance

I believe that just being a parent was adequate. As I recall that was the out that Cheney used, or at least one them. I think the reference to hardship was intended for a hardship dependant; non-child cases such as caring for a disabled sibling or parent.

Shame Ali lost those 3 and a half years through a technicality. Maybe he would have retired earlier and avoided Parkinson's.