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SRR weighed in @ 157.5. SRR was top shelf. all class. SRR never asked for nor received a catchweight in any title fight.

Wrong forum section... http://boxrec.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

The Irish Assassin wrote:Wrong forum section... http://boxrec.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

give the guy a break.it will be all right

dickbelden wrote:SRR weighed in @ 157.5. SRR was top shelf. all class. SRR never asked for nor received a catchweight in any title fight.

I've been talking about this fight for a while now.

The funny thing is that SRR had less of a weight disadvantage than some fighters face today in the current weight class system.

dickbelden wrote:SRR weighed in @ 157.5. SRR was top shelf. all class. SRR never asked for nor received a catchweight in any title fight.

on a night so hot even the referee retired.

So wait, are you actually telling me that Floyd Mayweather Jr. is no Ray Robinson???
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*MIND BLOWN*


Show me a person, other than a Mayweather or an Ellerbe, that would ever suggest that Floyd is in league with SRR, and I might see the point of this thread. Otherwise, it's really just another sh*t on Floyd thread, which is not clever nor creative, and quite frankly, it's boring.

By the way, did you know that Jonathan "Johnny" Johnson once fought Jimmy "Jim" Jimmerson in a 130 round title fight?
Floyd is no Johnny or Jimmy, let me tell you.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

dickbelden wrote:SRR weighed in @ 157.5. SRR was top shelf. all class. SRR never asked for nor received a catchweight in any title fight.

I've been talking about this fight for a while now.

The funny thing is that SRR had less of a weight disadvantage than some fighters face today in the current weight class system.

The problem now isn't with the 300 or so weight classes that we have, it's with the silly day before weigh ins.

The Great John L wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

dickbelden wrote:SRR weighed in @ 157.5. SRR was top shelf. all class. SRR never asked for nor received a catchweight in any title fight.

I've been talking about this fight for a while now.

The funny thing is that SRR had less of a weight disadvantage than some fighters face today in the current weight class system.

The problem now isn't with the 300 or so weight classes that we have, it's with the silly day before weigh ins.

one of the worst things to happen to boxing
was day before weigh ins.
complete crap. and how does a guy who fights at 135 weigh in at 153 come fight night.
i do not even see how this is possible

MEISINGER wrote:one of the worst things to happen to boxing
was day before weigh ins.
complete crap. and how does a guy who fights at 135 weigh in at 153 come fight night.
i do not even see how this is possible

because fighters will always dehydrate and cut body fat to nothing. Both of which are very unhealthy.

using the day-before system it gives the fighters around 30-hours to get back to a healthy condition. Using same-day weigh-ins, it's incredibly dangerous. Guys would be killing themselves to make the weights, maybe on short notice, maybe they need the money and have a family to support, but if they then fight in that kind of condition boxing becomes alot more dangerous than it is now.

Using same-day weigh-ins, it's incredibly dangerous. Guys would be killing themselves to make the weights, maybe on short notice, maybe they need the money and have a family to support, but if they then fight in that kind of condition boxing becomes alot more dangerous than it is now.

While a valid point, it's only valid because fighters are fighting(on the scale) way below their optimal weight, health-wise.
So yeah, they'll risk their health by draining to dangerous levels and then rehydrating, but it's only because that's how the game goes.
That's just what you do as a fighter.
Change the game. If you are a guy who typically weighs 170 on fight night, you should fight at 170. It's a simple concept, really.
And it would be much healthier.
But as it is, the guy who doesn't drain winds up in the ring with someone weighing 10-15 Lbs more than him on a regular basis.


But alas, this is boxing. Broken, but I love it still.

uptconnect wrote:Change the game. If you are a guy who typically weighs 170 on fight night, you should fight at 170. It's a simple concept, really.

the concept is simple in practice it's much harder. If you tell a guy like Canelo to fight at 170, then the likely hood is he's probably going to fight guys with more lean muscle than him. Guys who retain more water in their body composition are going to be the losers. How do you implement a system where you nonchalantly state 'that was your unofficial rehydrated weight so from now on you fight there' ?

the concept is simple in practice it's much harder.

I completely agree.
In sports, athletes look for an edge. There is really no way to say what a particular fighter's "optimal" fighting weight is.
So bigger fighters look to fight smaller guys, but what we wind up with is, bigger guys looking to fight smaller guys, who are actually other bigger guys looking to fight smaller guys. So it all kind of evens out, in the end.


It's impossible to police.

There's no real reason to think that fighters who drain have an advantage over fighters who don't drain. Fighters who do minimal draining: Mayweather, Pacquiao (at welterweight), Ward, Marquez (at welterweight). The fact is, draining allows you to fight smaller guys, but you enter the ring feeling very weak. Not draining forces you to fight bigger guys, but you enter the ring feeling healthy. The pros and the cons make it not a big deal either way.

The Irish Assassin wrote:Wrong forum section... http://boxrec.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

I thought that for a second, but this is obviously a thread about current scene fighters. It just doesn't mention them by name.

Lackeos wrote:

The Irish Assassin wrote:Wrong forum section... http://boxrec.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

I thought that for a second, but this is obviously a thread about current scene fighters. It just doesn't mention them by name.

Yep- I thought maybe we'd have some good SRR convo, but nope, this is Floyd thread #1,000,000
Only without his name in the title.


But now weve taken and hijacked it into a weight discussion, which is much better, imo.

I dont like catchweight fights and how people tend to count catchweight title wins as legit.
That said i guess i couldnt blame the fighters for it.
I dont know how SRR was as a person but i wonder what would he think if someone told him he could have made Maxim sacrifice a bit in order to make the fight and get filthy rich in the process.

desperados wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:one of the worst things to happen to boxing
was day before weigh ins.
complete crap. and how does a guy who fights at 135 weigh in at 153 come fight night.
i do not even see how this is possible

because fighters will always dehydrate and cut body fat to nothing. Both of which are very unhealthy.

using the day-before system it gives the fighters around 30-hours to get back to a healthy condition. Using same-day weigh-ins, it's incredibly dangerous. Guys would be killing themselves to make the weights, maybe on short notice, maybe they need the money and have a family to support, but if they then fight in that kind of condition boxing becomes alot more dangerous than it is now.

do a google search and the ama have 2 schools of thought on this topic.
1.being that same day weigh ins cause dehydration, causing possible brain dammage
from loss of blood flow

2.natural smaller fighters fighting in their respective divisions fighting larger opponents
causing possible dammage from larger opponents

it is actually no different with the dr's arguing this topic then me or you.
they just throw out a bunch of bigger words.
it is an interesting theory on both sides

MEISINGER wrote:

desperados wrote:

MEISINGER wrote:one of the worst things to happen to boxing
was day before weigh ins.
complete crap. and how does a guy who fights at 135 weigh in at 153 come fight night.
i do not even see how this is possible

because fighters will always dehydrate and cut body fat to nothing. Both of which are very unhealthy.

using the day-before system it gives the fighters around 30-hours to get back to a healthy condition. Using same-day weigh-ins, it's incredibly dangerous. Guys would be killing themselves to make the weights, maybe on short notice, maybe they need the money and have a family to support, but if they then fight in that kind of condition boxing becomes alot more dangerous than it is now.

do a google search and the ama have 2 schools of thought on this topic.
1.being that same day weigh ins cause dehydration, causing possible brain dammage
from loss of blood flow

2.natural smaller fighters fighting in their respective divisions fighting larger opponents
causing possible dammage from larger opponents

it is actually no different with the dr's arguing this topic then me or you.
they just throw out a bunch of bigger words.
it is an interesting theory on both sides

but same-day weigh-ins will never stop smaller guys fighting bigger ones - and it's a regular occurance in the most dangerous division - the heavyweights - where one guy can outweight the other by as much as he likes.

For me that makes the day-before the clear winner. Take DeLaHoya as an example vs Pacquiao, he was badly dehydrated & drained, and had needle marks on fight night because his body simply wouldn't rehydrate, they tried to inject fluid into him. He was in no condition to fight and he was lucky not to get seriously hurt in that fight. Pacquiao at that weight is probably more of a volume guy who can bang, but imagine Oscar against a proper 147 big-hitter like Tomy Hearns in that kind of state?

That is fairly uncommon however because most guys rehydrate pretty well and are in decent conditioning thanks to the 30-hours they have, but with same-day weigh-ins you would see that kind of thing frequently.

Were they even allowed to do catchweight world title fights back then?

What was the first catchweight world title fight? If anyone happens to know.

sugar ray leonard made tommy hearns make 163 when they fought for the 168 pound title.

dickbelden wrote:sugar ray leonard made tommy hearns make 163 when they fought for the 168 pound title.

also leonard had catchweight with lalonde

delahoya had 156 lb catchweight with hopkins

dickbelden wrote:sugar ray leonard made tommy hearns make 163 when they fought for the 168 pound title.

Was that the first time anyone used a catchweight in a world title fight?

MEISINGER wrote:

dickbelden wrote:sugar ray leonard made tommy hearns make 163 when they fought for the 168 pound title.

also leonard had catchweight with lalonde

delahoya had 156 lb catchweight with hopkins

We can name catchweight fights all day. Who's the mfer who started it with title fights though?

sugar ray leonard fought donny lalonde for the 168 pound title--- & he also demanded that lalonde also give up his 175 pound title if he lost the fight.--- ergo the catchweight for the 175 pound title was 168.--- then leonard made tommy hearns make 163 when they fought for the 168 pound title.

In the way back days, the champion actually set the weight for his title.