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Your thoughts? I know a few of them could have easily be switched with others. Which ones would you change?

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali: 56-5-0
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield 44-10-2
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles 93-25-0
Super Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr 56-8-0
Middleweight: Harry Greb 105-8-3
Super Welterweight: Terry Norris 47-9-0
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson 173-19-6
Light Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez Sr 107-6-2
Lightweight: Roberto Duran 103-16-0
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather 44-0-0
Featherweight: Willie Pep 229-11-1
Super Bantomweight: Wilfredo Gomez 44-3-1
Bantomweight: Eder Jofre 72-2-4
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy 49-1-0
Flyweight: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 88-5-2
Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang 38-4-0
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1

Some are debatable...

The obvious changes I'd make...

Super Welterweight: Thomas Hearns
Light Welterweight: Barney Ross
Super Featherweight: Sandy Saddler
Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde

The rest I agree on...or wouldn't argue too much about.

Depends if you're talking best boxer to win a world title there (at that weight) or best boxer at that weight.

@ super middle I don't think Jones did too much apart from beating a weight drained Toney. I think Calzaghe has the best argument.

@ light middle, I've no huge issue with Norris but I think Hearns or McCallum are worthy of being called the best.

@ lightweight, No issues with Duran but perhaps Benny Leonard deserves a mention. He and Gans are historically rated over Duran by a lot of the old-timers.

@ super feather, Arguello for me, maybe even Chavez or Azumah Nelson.

Wilde...I know people always go on about his KO streak and his power and he was always out-weighed etc etc, but what world class flyweights did he beat? I'd personally rate guys like Perez or Canto above him, maybe even Lynch.

orbtastic wrote:Depends if you're talking best boxer to win a world title there (at that weight) or best boxer at that weight.

@ super middle I don't think Jones did too much apart from beating a weight drained Toney. I think Calzaghe has the best argument.

@ light middle, I've no huge issue with Norris but I think Hearns or McCallum are worthy of being called the best.

@ lightweight, No issues with Duran but perhaps Benny Leonard deserves a mention. He and Gans are historically rated over Duran by a lot of the old-timers.

@ super feather, Arguello for me, maybe even Chavez or Azumah Nelson.

Wilde...I know people always go on about his KO streak and his power and he was always out-weighed etc etc, but what world class flyweights did he beat? I'd personally rate guys like Perez or Canto above him, maybe even Lynch.

All fair points...except for Norris. Don't see him in the debate.

Chippo wrote:I'm not a fan of Calzaghe but agree that he has to be the 'greatest' supermiddleweight. Jones was probably better but the title of the thread says 'greatest' so it has to be Joe. Roy only had 6 or 7 fights at the weight before moving up.

Calzaghe and Jones both didn't get to fight the best of the best like Eubank Collins ect. But Roy obviously had more skill than Calz. Calz was undefeated but he retired at the right time

Calzaghe fought Eubank, admittedly a weight drained and late notice Eubank, but a Eubank that came to win nonetheless.

That fight came about because Collins retired when it was looking like Calzaghe might be his mandatory (not saying he was "scared" by any stretch).

Benn was well retired by this point so he had to plough his own furrow. I think outside maybe Beyer, Liles & Ottke, he fought who he could. Ok so the Reid, Brewer, Mitchell & Woodhall fights could have been unification fights but I doubt those belts would have stayed unified for long.

CrazyHorse wrote:Your thoughts? I know a few of them could have easily be switched with others. Which ones would you change?

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali: 56-5-0
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield 44-10-2
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles 93-25-0
Super Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr 56-8-0
Middleweight: Harry Greb 105-8-3
Super Welterweight: Terry Norris 47-9-0
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson 173-19-6
Light Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez Sr 107-6-2
Lightweight: Roberto Duran 103-16-0
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather 44-0-0
Featherweight: Willie Pep 229-11-1
Super Bantomweight: Wilfredo Gomez 44-3-1
Bantomweight: Eder Jofre 72-2-4
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy 49-1-0
Flyweight: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 88-5-2
Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang 38-4-0
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1

Good list, even though I'd probably change a few. I'd probably go Joe C at super middleweight, Monzon at middle, McCallum at jr. middle. Arguello at super featherweight and Perez (Wonjongkam probably would barely make my top 10 at 112) at flyweight. Other than that totally solid, IMO.

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali/Joe Louis
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight: Joe Calzague
Middleweight: Harry Greb /Marvin Hagler
Super Welterweight: Thomas Hearns
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
Light Welterweight: Duilio Loi
Lightweight: Roberto Duran/Benny Leonard
Super Featherweight: Alexis Arguello
Featherweight: Willie Pep
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight: Eder Jofre
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight: Pascual Perez
Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

Il Duce wrote:No real argument,,,,

It is a good list,

But Muhammad Ali at #1..........

He tortured us with some of his performances......

I criticize Ali quite a bit when Ali was banned to box those were his prime years. The Ali who fought after that didn't hold a candle to the Ali who fought before the whole banning thing. Should have retired after Frazier III though

Light Heavyweight: Roy Jones
Super Middleweight: Roy Jones
Middleweight: Sergio Martinez
Super Welterweight: Floyd Mayweather
Welterweight: Floyd Mayweather
Light Welterweight: Amir Khan
Lightweight: Floyd Mayweather

one guy told me this lol

Chavez at light welter? I know he hung around there a long time, but he looked a lot more dominant at Super Feather.

Borinken25 wrote:Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali/Joe Louis
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
Super Middleweight: Joe Calzague
Middleweight: Harry Greb/Marvin Hagler
Super Welterweight: Thomas Hearns
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
Light Welterweight: Duilio Loi
Lightweight: Roberto Duran/Benny Leonard
Super Featherweight: Alexis Arguello
Featherweight: Willie Pep
Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez
Bantamweight: Eder Jofre
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy
Flyweight: Pascual Perez
Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez

I agree with this list except light fly, not familiar enough with Chang to have an opinion but will definitely check out some YouTube of his fights. Where you have 2 picks, it's 1 old school, 1 more contemporary. It might be interesting to do this up and down the list. Prime Ali vs. prime Louis would have been must-see.

CrazyHorse wrote:Your thoughts? I know a few of them could have easily be switched with others. Which ones would you change?

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali: 56-5-0
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield 44-10-2
Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles 93-25-0
Super Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr 56-8-0
Middleweight: Harry Greb 105-8-3
Super Welterweight: Terry Norris 47-9-0
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson 173-19-6
Light Welterweight: Julio Cesar Chavez Sr 107-6-2
Lightweight: Roberto Duran 103-16-0
Super Featherweight: Floyd Mayweather 44-0-0
Featherweight: Willie Pep 229-11-1
Super Bantomweight: Wilfredo Gomez 44-3-1
Bantomweight: Eder Jofre 72-2-4
Super Flyweight: Khaosai Galaxy 49-1-0
Flyweight: Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 88-5-2
Light Flyweight: Jung-Koo Chang 38-4-0
Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez 51-0-1

To me it would be:
Super Middleweight: Joe Calzaghe. The great Roy Jones, Jr. did not stay at 168lbs long enough.
Middleweight: Carlos Monzon....14 title defenses in a great era of boxing.
Super Welterweight: Mike McCallum or Thomas Hearns....I pick McCallum not by much.
Jr. Welterweight: Aaron Pryor did not lose a fight in this weight class.
Jr. Lightweight: Flash Elorde
Flyweight: The great Jimmy Wilde

HW - Muhammad Ali
CW - Evander Holyfield
LHW - Ezzard Charles
SMW - Sam Langford - IIRC Langford weighed around this weight fairly often and is the greatest fighter to never win a title.
MW - Marvin Hagler
LMW - Tommy Hearns
WW - Sugar Ray Robinson
LWW - Kostya Tszyu
LW - Roberto Duran
SFW - Floyd Mayweather
FW - Willie Pep