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Really interested in this guy. The life story is made for film!

But ......... who in the world, over the last 25 years at Middleweight would have beaten a prime Carlos?

No one

giacomino wrote:No one

Agreed, though Hopkins would''ve had the best shot.

Prime B-Hop might make it pretty close, but ultimately Monzon's jab and work rate would be the difference.

Boxing News suggested Hagler thinking back.

Seamus wrote:Prime B-Hop might make it pretty close, but ultimately Monzon's jab and work rate would be the difference.

I think prime B-Hop would've made it quite close.

polecateddy wrote:Boxing News suggested Hagler thinking back.

That's more than 25 years ago.

Oh right, I see. Roy Jones then.

polecateddy wrote:Oh right, I see. Roy Jones then.

Nunn was also in that time frame.

He suited the 15 rounders, but there was probably a few who would pop him over 12.

If Carlos Monzon really believed he could have been a LHW champion, I think he'd have moved up. Since there was no SMW division back then and Monzon came in a little over 160, I think Conteh would have knocked him out.

Seamus wrote:If Carlos Monzon really believed he could have been a LHW champion, I think he'd have moved up. Since there was no SMW division back then and Monzon came in a little over 160, I think Conteh would have knocked him out.

Don't know about a KO; beating him, I'd understand.

Monzon was comfortable being the best light heavyweight in the middleweight division. He didnt want to test the waters where his enormous size advantage would have been nullified. Over the last twenty five years Id pick Hopkins to beat him. Im not really that impressed by Monzon. He ruled over a weak division and avoided his biggest threat for three years.

A good read guys, many thanks!

klompton wrote:Monzon was comfortable being the best light heavyweight in the middleweight division. He didnt want to test the waters where his enormous size advantage would have been nullified. Over the last twenty five years Id pick Hopkins to beat him. Im not really that impressed by Monzon. He ruled over a weak division and avoided his biggest threat for three years.

He fought Valdez twice.

Hopkins wouldn't have a hope in hell and neither would anyone else. Jones and Nunn may have made it competitive but can't think of anyone else

I can not understand for the life of me, if you watch his fights, how you can not come away thinking there is something almost supernatural about the guy. Uncanny accuracy, with speed that deserves critical scrutiny, because I understand that it appears that he is not the fastest guy in the ring....and his stats totaly bely that.

I guess when you are dead on accurate, you can take your time to get there lol. But he manages this David Copperfield timing, in nearly all his fights.

Another thing, his era was NOT weak.

However, people say I have a blind spot regarding Pryor......I want to disagree, but it's definitely a popular stance I don't agree with. So it is what it is.

Maybe this is simply your blind spot. I remain of the opinion he is the best MW of all time. And Hopkins would not escape Monzon's ability. That is he would be figured out and deconstructed. Though I will say that Bernard will take his beating, know he was beaten, and deny it to his dying day.

BoxBuzz wrote:I can not understand for the life of me, if you watch his fights, how you can not come away thinking there is something almost supernatural about the guy. Uncanny accuracy, with speed that deserves critical scrutiny, because I understand that it appears that he is not the fastest guy in the ring....and his stats totaly bely that.

I guess when you are dead on accurate, you can take your time to get there lol. But he manages this David Copperfield timing, in nearly all his fights.

Another thing, his era was NOT weak.

However, people say I have a blind spot regarding Pryor......I want to disagree, but it's definitely a popular stance I don't agree with. So it is what it is.

Maybe this is simply your blind spot. I remain of the opinion he is the best MW of all time. And Hopkins would not escape Monzon's ability. That is he would be figured out and deconstructed. Though I will say that Bernard will take his beating, know he was beaten, and deny it to his dying day.

Monzon's era was definitely not weak. God, imagine Rodrigo Valdez, Benvenuti, Griffith, Briscoe, etc in today's middle division.
Briscoe/Sturm...

I have to suspect, that Briscoe-Sturm would devolve to a crime scene. Body traced, yellow tape, and questions from the D.A. as to WHO allowed these two fighters to engage in a pro fight against each other.

BoxBuzz wrote:I have to suspect, that Briscoe-Sturm would devolve to a crime scene. Body traced, yellow tape, and questions from the D.A. as to WHO allowed these two fighters to engage in a pro fight against each other.

Yep. God, imagine Taylor/Valdez.

BoxBuzz wrote:I can not understand for the life of me, if you watch his fights, how you can not come away thinking there is something almost supernatural about the guy. Uncanny accuracy, with speed that deserves critical scrutiny, because I understand that it appears that he is not the fastest guy in the ring....and his stats totaly bely that.

I guess when you are dead on accurate, you can take your time to get there lol. But he manages this David Copperfield timing, in nearly all his fights.

Another thing, his era was NOT weak.

However, people say I have a blind spot regarding Pryor......I want to disagree, but it's definitely a popular stance I don't agree with. So it is what it is.

Maybe this is simply your blind spot. I remain of the opinion he is the best MW of all time. And Hopkins would not escape Monzon's ability. That is he would be figured out and deconstructed. Though I will say that Bernard will take his beating, know he was beaten, and deny it to his dying day.

Good post. There was nothing weak about Monzon's era or competition. Makes me think those who say that didn't actually see any of Monzon's opponents fight, other than against Monzon. Reminds me of TML's assessment that Sturm, admittedly TML's fantasy man, would have easily handled Monzon because he beat nothing but Argentine taxi drivers.

giacomino wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I can not understand for the life of me, if you watch his fights, how you can not come away thinking there is something almost supernatural about the guy. Uncanny accuracy, with speed that deserves critical scrutiny, because I understand that it appears that he is not the fastest guy in the ring....and his stats totaly bely that.

I guess when you are dead on accurate, you can take your time to get there lol. But he manages this David Copperfield timing, in nearly all his fights.

Another thing, his era was NOT weak.

However, people say I have a blind spot regarding Pryor......I want to disagree, but it's definitely a popular stance I don't agree with. So it is what it is.

Maybe this is simply your blind spot. I remain of the opinion he is the best MW of all time. And Hopkins would not escape Monzon's ability. That is he would be figured out and deconstructed. Though I will say that Bernard will take his beating, know he was beaten, and deny it to his dying day.

Good post. There was nothing weak about Monzon's era or competition. Makes me think those who say that didn't actually see any of Monzon's opponents fight, other than against Monzon. Reminds me of TML's assessment that Sturm, admittedly TML's fantasy man, would have easily handled Monzon because he beat nothing but Argentine taxi drivers.

Did he think Molitow would've beaten Gomez, too?
Monzon outside the ring was a lowlife. Inside the ring, he was a master.

I've never doubted Monzon's greatness, and I don't believe he fought in a weak era. I just don't see him having a chance of winning the LHW championship. Foster and Conteh would have brutalized him, and YES, I think pretty much the same would have happened to Marvin Hagler if he moved up to fight Michael Spinks, though I knew guys who thought otherwise.

Rover wrote:

giacomino wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I can not understand for the life of me, if you watch his fights, how you can not come away thinking there is something almost supernatural about the guy. Uncanny accuracy, with speed that deserves critical scrutiny, because I understand that it appears that he is not the fastest guy in the ring....and his stats totaly bely that.

I guess when you are dead on accurate, you can take your time to get there lol. But he manages this David Copperfield timing, in nearly all his fights.

Another thing, his era was NOT weak.

However, people say I have a blind spot regarding Pryor......I want to disagree, but it's definitely a popular stance I don't agree with. So it is what it is.

Maybe this is simply your blind spot. I remain of the opinion he is the best MW of all time. And Hopkins would not escape Monzon's ability. That is he would be figured out and deconstructed. Though I will say that Bernard will take his beating, know he was beaten, and deny it to his dying day.

Good post. There was nothing weak about Monzon's era or competition. Makes me think those who say that didn't actually see any of Monzon's opponents fight, other than against Monzon. Reminds me of TML's assessment that Sturm, admittedly TML's fantasy man, would have easily handled Monzon because he beat nothing but Argentine taxi drivers.

Did he think Molitow would've beaten Gomez, too?
Monzon outside the ring was a lowlife. Inside the ring, he was a master.

The Diego Maradona of boxing then.