standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:18
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Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:23
We don't have it, the referee fucked up big time. Most South American countries have it though.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:41
It was a deliberate fornicate up, he didn't want to be the one to wave off Price in Liverpool so gaveiamasadlittleboy wrote:We don't have it, the referee fucked up big time. Most South American countries have it though.
him every chance to recover - don't blame him to be honest.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:44
If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:44
As daft as it was it certainly left no room for doubt. A blessing really.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 20:49
That's a "mandatory" 8 not a "standing" 8Horse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 21:14
Yes Price was given a mandatory 8 not a standing 8. Whether that was right or not.... well!?!?!iamasadlittleboy wrote:That's a "mandatory" 8 not a "standing" 8Horse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 21:25
Certainly wasn't right
What ever he was doing, he needs to be brought in front of...somebody...
What ever he was doing, he needs to be brought in front of...somebody...
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 06 Jul 2013, 21:33
Not right within the rules but the right thing for the circumstances.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 04:48
yep your rightHorse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 05:08
The ref was a disgrace, Price was cowering over the damn ropes, surely anyone would have stopped the fight. It was a good job Tony Wilson's mum wasn't sat at ringside!
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 05:32
I think the ref was trying to give Price as much help as he could to ride out the storm being that it was at home, fighting in front of a few thousand scousers. Kind of reminded me of when Terry O'Connor let Khan carry on after Prescott knocked him down. A stiff breeze would have had him over let alone another punch.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 05:50
Fat Git wrote:It was a deliberate eff up, he didn't want to be the one to wave off Price in Liverpool so gaveiamasadlittleboy wrote:We don't have it, the referee fucked up big time. Most South American countries have it though.
him every chance to recover - don't blame him to be honest.
Why dont you blame him?? Its the most deliberate tyoe of favouritism us brittish boxing, if that was thompson in the recieving end you can bet you last £ it would have been stopped! Khan v Prescot was the same
No wonder some of the refereeing in the uk is the joke of the boxing world
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 06:42
ide like to see more standing counts then a ref just jumping in and ending a fight to earlygazza8 wrote:Fat Git wrote:It was a deliberate eff up, he didn't want to be the one to wave off Price in Liverpool so gaveiamasadlittleboy wrote:We don't have it, the referee fucked up big time. Most South American countries have it though.
him every chance to recover - don't blame him to be honest.
Why dont you blame him?? Its the most deliberate tyoe of favouritism us brittish boxing, if that was thompson in the recieving end you can bet you last £ it would have been stopped! Khan v Prescot was the same
No wonder some of the refereeing in the uk is the joke of the boxing world
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 06:53
Thank goodness at least one of you know the rules!!! For the others who always have negative things to say " go and learn before having a go FFS"Horse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 06:59
He wasn't being held up by the ropes, he was leaning over the ropes in a situation that deserved a stoppage.taffytoon wrote:Thank goodness at least one of you know the rules!!! For the others who always have negative things to say " go and learn before having a go FFS"Horse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgGRS-lKYAs
If that is "being held up be the ropes" and deserves to be regarded as so then we have very different opinions, that is a man who needs to be stopped not, given a count.
If it was the other way around WOULD the referee have given Thompson a count?
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 08:19
I suppose technically if the ropes wernt there he would have gone over so even though he was hunched over them they may have been supporting Price. I doubt very much Marcus will have anything to answer for. The most impotant thing was that David was spared any more un due punishment.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 08:23
Does it really matter? He could have had a twenty count and still been farked.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 08:26
iamasadlittleboy wrote:He wasn't being held up by the ropes, he was leaning over the ropes in a situation that deserved a stoppage.taffytoon wrote:Thank goodness at least one of you know the rules!!! For the others who always have negative things to say " go and learn before having a go FFS"Horse wrote:If the referee thinks a fighter is being held up by the ropes then they can give them a count.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgGRS-lKYAs
If that is "being held up be the ropes" and deserves to be regarded as so then we have very different opinions, that is a man who needs to be stopped not, given a count.
If it was the other way around WOULD the referee have given Thompson a count?
Exactly, it was a tranparently bias piece of referreeing where he just made the rules up as he went along. In what other sport do you see it as obvious as that? The only thing i can think of is in football when a ref knows he made a mistake then tries to make up for it. In the confed cup Italy scored against Brazil but the ref already blew the whistle for a penalty. Then just changed his mind and though, ah heck, ill just award the goal. That ref was sent home after that 1. It's time ref's are held to higher standards.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 08:36
It should have been stopped imo. The mandatory 8 count wasn't needed and shouldn't have been used in that situation. The ref did try and give every chance to Price to continue. With that being said. I give the ref credit.
If Price was fighting for a different promoter, with a different ref (naming no names). It would have been stopped after Tony got up on the 9 count.
Not many complaints about the ref from me. The best man won at the end of the day.
If Price was fighting for a different promoter, with a different ref (naming no names). It would have been stopped after Tony got up on the 9 count.
Not many complaints about the ref from me. The best man won at the end of the day.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 08:49
You and Taffytoon are correct. However, I'm not surprised given that you two know the rules inside outThe Insider wrote:I suppose technically if the ropes wernt there he would have gone over so even though he was hunched over them they may have been supporting Price. I doubt very much Marcus will have anything to answer for.
Marcus will definitely not have anything to answer for.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 07 Jul 2013, 14:03
Wladimir was given an eight count in exactly the same situation vs Brewster
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 05:01
The boards rules are VERY much contradictory however.Dead Mouse wrote:It’s called a judgement call, and is perfectly permissible according to BBBoC rules as the ref can decide that the ‘Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself’. The rules are right there for anyone to read on the Board’s website, why not just check them out? Did the referee stop and grandly declare that: “I, the ref, am about to deliver a standing count, as opposed to a mandatory one’? Nah, he decided that the ropes were holding Price up, stepped in to count, presumably so he could do something mental such as looking into his eyes and seeing if he could continue, and then waved it off. I don’t always agree with British refs, but this wasn’t an illegal move as it was fought under the Board’s rules.
Here’s a link to the BBBoC’s domumention. Click ‘download’ and you can actually read the stuff. Although understanding is an entirely different matter:
http://www.bbbofc.com/documentation
The rule in this case (3.32.1 c)
when a Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself
Goes against rule 3.28
Boxers must shake hands before the commencement of the Contest and at the beginning of the final round and must defend themselves at all times during the Contest.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 05:10
It's not really is it. If you don't do what's required in reg 3.28 you'll get stopped or recieve a count as a consequence.iamasadlittleboy wrote:
The boards rules are VERY much contradictory however.
The rule in this case (3.32.1 c)
when a Boxer is supported on the ropes of the boxing ring and, in the opinion of the Referee, is unable to defend himself
Goes against rule 3.28
Boxers must shake hands before the commencement of the Contest and at the beginning of the final round and must defend themselves at all times during the Contest.
Re: standing count in pro boxing
Posted: 08 Jul 2013, 05:32
I do get it, but I also know that had it been Thompson in that situation the referee would have had a different opinion. That to me is a major issue with boxing and something that we shouldn't be ignoring.
Imagine Thompson bending over the ropes taking shots. Would the referee have gone "the ropes are holding him up" or "this needs to be stopped"?
Like wise what were Price team doing sending him out for round 5 anyway? He was gone in the last 15 seconds of round 4 and never recovered.
Imagine Thompson bending over the ropes taking shots. Would the referee have gone "the ropes are holding him up" or "this needs to be stopped"?
Like wise what were Price team doing sending him out for round 5 anyway? He was gone in the last 15 seconds of round 4 and never recovered.