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He says Froch vs Groves wouldnt be able to happen without PPV ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFeYE9QUaJ0

I forgot to congratulate Barry Hearn on the birth of his son Eddie all those years ago.

columbo wrote:He says Froch vs Groves wouldnt be able to happen without PPV

You wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

How did big fights get made before PPV ?

Years ago, did boxers in big fights get small purses ? - do boxers in big fights today get massive purses ? (if not, why not ? - where does the PPV money go to ?)

What are the income streams of a big fight today (eg. TV, advertising, sponsorship etc.) and how does this differ from the past) - also, why does it differ and what are promoters doing about it (as promoting is their job).

He has a point at least Froch is defending World titles here against live opposition.
I don't think it a great fight but Froch has paid his due's is a proven draw they signed Groves with this fight in mind.
Matchroom have the Sky baton and the best fighters they go hand in hand .

You cant begrudge Froch wanting top dollar he has earned his place at the top.
Undercard needs to be top draw or it will not sell massively but no one's got a gun to your head buy it or don't.
I probably will.

bripez wrote:

columbo wrote:He says Froch vs Groves wouldnt be able to happen without PPV

You wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

How did big fights get made before PPV ? heavier investment from terrestrial tv

Years ago, did boxers in big fights get small purses ? - do boxers in big fights today get massive purses ? (if not, why not ? - where does the PPV money go to ?)Yes they were paid loads less Magri topped the bill at the Albert hall as a world champ and told me he earnt 3k

What are the income streams of a big fight today (eg. TV, advertising, sponsorship etc.) and how does this differ from the past) - also, why does it differ and what are promoters doing about it (as promoting is their job).

I don't know the answer to this mate I know its shit but its life.

I came across this documentary on Barry on youtube if anyone is interested and hasnt seen it ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnzQXD0I-q4

bripez wrote:

columbo wrote:He says Froch vs Groves wouldnt be able to happen without PPV

You wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

How did big fights get made before PPV ?

Years ago, did boxers in big fights get small purses ? - do boxers in big fights today get massive purses ? (if not, why not ? - where does the PPV money go to ?)

What are the income streams of a big fight today (eg. TV, advertising, sponsorship etc.) and how does this differ from the past) - also, why does it differ and what are promoters doing about it (as promoting is their job).

You mean when it was a guaranteed massive draw on pre-digital terrestrial TV?

columbo wrote:I came across this documentary on Barry on youtube if anyone is interested and hasnt seen it ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnzQXD0I-q4

Cheers mate heard about that couldn't seem to find it on 4od or iplayer

Naandrew wrote:

columbo wrote:I came across this documentary on Barry on youtube if anyone is interested and hasnt seen it ...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnzQXD0I-q4

Cheers mate heard about that couldn't seem to find it on 4od or iplayer

Very interesting! I dont really know how he made darts what it is now to be honest!

jtourettes wrote:

bripez wrote:

columbo wrote:He says Froch vs Groves wouldnt be able to happen without PPV

You wouldn't expect him to say anything else.

How did big fights get made before PPV ?

Years ago, did boxers in big fights get small purses ? - do boxers in big fights today get massive purses ? (if not, why not ? - where does the PPV money go to ?)

What are the income streams of a big fight today (eg. TV, advertising, sponsorship etc.) and how does this differ from the past) - also, why does it differ and what are promoters doing about it (as promoting is their job).

You mean when it was a guaranteed massive draw on pre-digital terrestrial TV?

Why was a massive draw guaranteed ?

Ok, there were less channels / choice, but was it because boxers had terrestrial TV exposure ? (there are a lot of Sky subscribers, but only a small percentage compared with the population).

Was the role of the promoter different ?

It seems to me that the easier option is for a promoter to get his boxer on Sky and if he reaches a high enough level they can just charge PPV.

The fact that millions of boxing fans and neutrals are excluded then who cares as long as they get the money somehow ? This seems a veery short term view.

Not as good as Hearn interview with ifilm at the start of the month

Bripez,
This isn't just a Sky issue. The Channel 5 plan was / is to build up a fighter then over to Primetime ppv.
As has been said two other options - buy a ticket and see it live, or don't watch it at all.

He must have overuled Eddie cause I'm sure Eddie said there was only 3 fights worthy of PPV... khan v brook, Kessler v Froch n one other I can't recall (wernt this thou)

sweetscience wrote:He must have overuled Eddie cause I'm sure Eddie said there was only 3 fights worthy of PPV... khan v brook, Kessler v Froch n one other I can't recall (wernt this thou)

He said Bellew vs Cleverly 2 would be PPV aswell if Bellew managed to beat Stevenson and they could make that fight.

columbo wrote:

sweetscience wrote:He must have overuled Eddie cause I'm sure Eddie said there was only 3 fights worthy of PPV... khan v brook, Kessler v Froch n one other I can't recall (wernt this thou)

He said Bellew vs Cleverly 2 would be PPV aswell if Bellew managed to beat Stevenson and they could make that fight.

Haha course it is

I'd buy it

columbo wrote:

sweetscience wrote:He must have overuled Eddie cause I'm sure Eddie said there was only 3 fights worthy of PPV... khan v brook, Kessler v Froch n one other I can't recall (wernt this thou)

He said Bellew vs Cleverly 2 would be PPV aswell if Bellew managed to beat Stevenson and they could make that fight.

No it will be on allegedly channel. They're going to try and dangle a wedge in front of Clev sooner or later in the hope he moves across. The incentive will be bigger fights, more money and a bigger audience.

This PPV model is a misnomer. I don't see Man Utd playing Real Madrid in the Champions League on Pay Per View. or Murray v Djokovic etc.

PPV is there to fleece the fans.

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

columbo wrote:

sweetscience wrote:He must have overuled Eddie cause I'm sure Eddie said there was only 3 fights worthy of PPV... khan v brook, Kessler v Froch n one other I can't recall (wernt this thou)

He said Bellew vs Cleverly 2 would be PPV aswell if Bellew managed to beat Stevenson and they could make that fight.

No it will be on allegedly channel. They're going to try and dangle a wedge in front of Clev sooner or later in the hope he moves across. The incentive will be bigger fights, more money and a bigger audience.

This PPV model is a misnomer. I don't see Man Utd playing Real Madrid in the Champions League on Pay Per View. or Murray v Djokovic etc.

PPV is there to fleece the fans.

I dont agree with it but Eddie said in the last Q&A he did with Kugan that it would be on PPV.

The more shit fights on PPV the better as it will fail

Then revert back to normal

Bellew / clev... Comical

Can't turn back the clock now - there's no way terrestrial TV is going to get behind boxing like it did back in the day, too high risk compared to other high profile sports, too many fights fail to happen, or damp squibs. What's in it for them?

I'm afraid it's the way it is now, boxing is a niche sport, which only attracts big numbers for a select few fights and fighters, top fighters want top dollar, and the only way to get it now is PPV.

If we had a single channel devoted to nothing but boxing, with all the promoters on board, perhaps it could work, but that is never going to happen, as they just don't work together that way.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can't turn back the clock now - there's no way terrestrial TV is going to get behind boxing like it did back in the day, too high risk compared to other high profile sports, too many fights fail to happen, or damp squibs. What's in it for them?

I'm afraid it's the way it is now, boxing is a niche sport, which only attracts big numbers for a select few fights and fighters, top fighters want top dollar, and the only way to get it now is PPV.

If we had a single channel devoted to nothing but boxing, with all the promoters on board, perhaps it could work, but that is never going to happen, as they just don't work together that way.

A better idea would be to get rid of all the promoters and have all the fighters under one umbrella a la UFC. There are too many crooks masquerading as promoters these days.

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can't turn back the clock now - there's no way terrestrial TV is going to get behind boxing like it did back in the day, too high risk compared to other high profile sports, too many fights fail to happen, or damp squibs. What's in it for them?

I'm afraid it's the way it is now, boxing is a niche sport, which only attracts big numbers for a select few fights and fighters, top fighters want top dollar, and the only way to get it now is PPV.

If we had a single channel devoted to nothing but boxing, with all the promoters on board, perhaps it could work, but that is never going to happen, as they just don't work together that way.

A better idea would be to get rid of all the promoters and have all the fighters under one umbrella a la UFC. There are too many crooks masquerading as promoters these days.

So basically it would be better to do something that is never going to happen in a billion years.

jameswilson wrote:

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can't turn back the clock now - there's no way terrestrial TV is going to get behind boxing like it did back in the day, too high risk compared to other high profile sports, too many fights fail to happen, or damp squibs. What's in it for them?

I'm afraid it's the way it is now, boxing is a niche sport, which only attracts big numbers for a select few fights and fighters, top fighters want top dollar, and the only way to get it now is PPV.

If we had a single channel devoted to nothing but boxing, with all the promoters on board, perhaps it could work, but that is never going to happen, as they just don't work together that way.

A better idea would be to get rid of all the promoters and have all the fighters under one umbrella a la UFC. There are too many crooks masquerading as promoters these days.

So basically it would be better to do something that is never going to happen in a billion years.

The problem is, that boxing to all intent's and purposes IS the promoters. The history of boxing is a history of the promotional verve of the men who made the fights happen, right from day one, to the present day.

The sanctioning bodies really have always played second fiddle, and always will, because without the promoters and managers, they literally have nothing, they aren't going to be putting up their own money to pay fighters, and as long as that remains the case, which as far as I can see, is forever, then nothing can really change. Promoters have their own vested interests, as do the fighters, both of which involve getting paid, and they will only fight for big money when they reach the top of their sport - the only way that happens is someone to put their own money up and negotiate with TV networks, sanctioning bodies, venues etc.

Anyone waiting for the sanctioning bodies to change the sport are missing the point, they have to deal with the promoters, in order to get the big money fighters fighting for their titles, so they in turn can get their cut of the purse.

jameswilson wrote:

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Can't turn back the clock now - there's no way terrestrial TV is going to get behind boxing like it did back in the day, too high risk compared to other high profile sports, too many fights fail to happen, or damp squibs. What's in it for them?

I'm afraid it's the way it is now, boxing is a niche sport, which only attracts big numbers for a select few fights and fighters, top fighters want top dollar, and the only way to get it now is PPV.

If we had a single channel devoted to nothing but boxing, with all the promoters on board, perhaps it could work, but that is never going to happen, as they just don't work together that way.

A better idea would be to get rid of all the promoters and have all the fighters under one umbrella a la UFC. There are too many crooks masquerading as promoters these days.

So basically it would be better to do something that is never going to happen in a billion years.

The problem is, that boxing to all intent's and purposes IS the promoters. The history of boxing is a history of the promotional verve of the men who made the fights happen, right from day one, to the present day.

The sanctioning bodies really have always played second fiddle, and always will, because without the promoters and managers, they literally have nothing, they aren't going to be putting up their own money to pay fighters, and as long as that remains the case, which as far as I can see, is forever, then nothing can really change. Promoters have their own vested interests, as do the fighters, both of which involve getting paid, and they will only fight for big money when they reach the top of their sport - the only way that happens is someone to put their own money up and negotiate with TV networks, sanctioning bodies, venues etc.

Anyone waiting for the sanctioning bodies to change the sport are missing the point, they have to deal with the promoters, in order to get the big money fighters fighting for their titles, so they in turn can get their cut of the purse.[/quote]

Boxing could be run like the UFC but you'd need a billionaire or someone with that type of cash and a real passion for the sport to make it happen.