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Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 10 Aug 2013, 16:43
by Flump
When you think of poor Heavyweight challengers Il Duce, how do you rate Terry Daniels? And would you say this was worthy of being a heavyweight elimination contest?

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 01:21
by Dart340
He may not have been a deserving challenger, but anyone that ever watched the Frazier fight itself has to have come away with a great deal of respect for Terry Daniels. He treated his shot with respect and fought with heart and courage and truly went out on his shield that night.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 03:29
by Rover
Il Duce wrote:Ted Gullick,

A 'muscular' hard-punching 6' 0" 195 lb. Heavyweight out of Cleveland, Ohio.

Was a one-time 'Street Punk', with a bad reputation.

He could definitely punch, and had a powerful and quick right-hand.

Promoted by Don Elbaum, and built up with a lot of press releases in the Ohio and
western Pennsylvania area.

By May of 1970, had compiled a record of 11-0-0 {10 KO's}, and was considered to be a
better overall fighter than George Foreman.

Press releases stated that Ted was a 23 year-old prospect {on paper}, but Ted was really
25 years-old, and had done some jail time in the late-1960's as a result of his 'street thuggery'.

http://ts2.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.47 ... 5&pid=15.1

Ted burst upon the scene on December 10, 1969 at The Arena in Cleveland.

There, Ted Gullick a 5-Month / '5-Bout' Professional with a record of 5-0-0 {5 KO's} took
on the #2 World Ranked Light-Heavyweight in Sugar Ray Anderson 30-1-0 {19 KO's}.

Though Ted was a Heavyweight {195 lbs.}, he was nowhere near in skill level of the
highly-regarded 179 lb. 'Sugar Ray'.

'Upset Special', as Ted slowly wore the down the more experienced Anderson, and
dropped him '3-Times' enroute to a Knockout {KO 9}.
Wow, some people sure underrated Foreman (regarding the prospect ranking).

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 03:36
by Rover
Il Duce wrote:
Flump wrote:When you think of poor Heavyweight challengers Il Duce, how do you rate Terry Daniels? And would you say this was worthy of being a heavyweight elimination contest?
1971 + White Heavyweight = TV Dollars for January 1972

Terry Daniels did earn #10 WBA Heavyweight Ranking after 'upsetting' {TKO 3} #12 WBA-ranked
Ted Gullick in his hometown {Cleveland} in October 1971.

Worthy, no, not by a long-shot.

Could say that the Texas Heavyweight Champion earned every cent of the $35,000 'Fight Purse'
for a 4-Round beating though.
How does one earn a #10 ranking by beating #12?

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 15:45
by Ambling Alp II
This is just too good to pass up.

Yes a very impressive win. Interesting that Gullick did lose his previous fight to none other than Cleveland Williams. Interesting, since this was 5 years[/i] after Williams was supposedly washed up when he fought Ali. :D

Gotta love this logic!

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 17:18
by Rover
If you have sources, you should post that in Record Queries.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 17:27
by BoxBuzz
Il Duce wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:This is just too good to pass up.

Yes a very impressive win. Interesting that Gullick did lose his previous fight to none other than Cleveland Williams. Interesting, since this was 5 years[/i] after Williams was supposedly washed up when he fought Ali. :D

Gotta love this logic!


Yes, Ted Gullick did lose a 10-Round Majority Decision to 38 year-old Cleveland Williams on April 28, 1971.

But Box/Rec is missing Ted Gullick's '5-Straight' Knockout wins in Ohio from May 1971 thru September 1971.


Do you have a scintilla of evidence of this? Or is this "imagineering"?
And if so.....does this mean that Cleveland's win over this guy somehow increases Williams credibility as a contender.

Careful how you answer this. Cuz I might want to pick this up again....either way. lol.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 17:30
by hhaehre
Ambling Alp II wrote:This is just too good to pass up.

Yes a very impressive win. Interesting that Gullick did lose his previous fight to none other than Cleveland Williams. Interesting, since this was 5 years[/i] after Williams was supposedly washed up when he fought Ali. :D

Gotta love this logic!

How 'bout this: In his absolute prime, around the time he was destroyed by Liston for the second time, Williams was not good enough to win a title. Not good enough in the 60's, not good enough in any other era. Is anybody worshiping Holmes for the way he handled Marvis Frazier or David Bey?

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 17:37
by Rover
BoxBuzz wrote:
Il Duce wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:This is just too good to pass up.

Yes a very impressive win. Interesting that Gullick did lose his previous fight to none other than Cleveland Williams. Interesting, since this was 5 years[/i] after Williams was supposedly washed up when he fought Ali. :D

Gotta love this logic!


Yes, Ted Gullick did lose a 10-Round Majority Decision to 38 year-old Cleveland Williams on April 28, 1971.

But Box/Rec is missing Ted Gullick's '5-Straight' Knockout wins in Ohio from May 1971 thru September 1971.


Do you have a scintilla of evidence of this? Or is this "imagineering"?
And if so.....does this mean that Cleveland's win over this guy somehow increases Williams credibility as a contender.

Careful how you answer this. Cuz I might want to pick this up again....either way. lol.

Uh oh...sounds ominous.:)

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 21:22
by Ambling Alp II
hhaehre wrote:
Ambling Alp II wrote:This is just too good to pass up.

Yes a very impressive win. Interesting that Gullick did lose his previous fight to none other than Cleveland Williams. Interesting, since this was 5 years[/i] after Williams was supposedly washed up when he fought Ali. :D

Gotta love this logic!

How 'bout this: In his absolute prime, around the time he was destroyed by Liston for the second time, Williams was not good enough to win a title. Not good enough in the 60's, not good enough in any other era. Is anybody worshiping Holmes for the way he handled Marvis Frazier or David Bey?


I agree that Williams was not good enough to beat Ali or Liston; he would have had a chance vs Patterson. I'm not saying Williams was at his absolute best when he fought Ali; he wasn't. However, seldom does a fighter go from being at his best to straight being washed up. Williams was in that in between phase when he fought Ali. He was not totally washed up as some Ali detractors like to claim.

Beating Williams by itself is not a great feat for a great fighter. It just happens that Williams happened to be the other guy in the ring when Ali may have been at his absolute best. Obviously as with most fighters it's hard to pinpoint his absolute best. You could go with almost any of his fights from 1964-1967.

One bone of contention is the idea must have been at his best when he fought his best opponents. Why does that have to be so? Tyson and Holyfield were Holmes' best opponents. Those fights certainly were not when he was at his best. He was at his best when some of his opponents were people like Evangelista, Ocasio, Leon Spinks etc. Joe Louis best opponent was Marciano. He was far from his best when he fought him.

If it's really true that a fighter must be at his best when he fought his best opponent, then when would Williams have been at his absolute best? The answer would have to be the Ali fight. :P

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 22:10
by dempseyfire
Dart340 wrote:He may not have been a deserving challenger, but anyone that ever watched the Frazier fight itself has to have come away with a great deal of respect for Terry Daniels. He treated his shot with respect and fought with heart and courage and truly went out on his shield that night.
That fight shows you how much respect and regard fighting for the HW title has gone down the toilet. Not just due to the proliferation of belts, but back then it was common to see outclassed guys truly give their heart and soul if given a title shot. It was considered a BIG deal. Daniels showed 10 times the balls and heart of most of the guys fighting for the title of recent years and despite being a smaller heavyweight probably would've beaten most of them on that night as well.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 22:14
by BoxBuzz
Well Said Dempsey....Hear Here!

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 22:22
by Rover
BoxBuzz wrote:Well Said Dempsey....Hear Here!
:TU:

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 23:19
by Dart340
Pretty sure Terry's son posted either here or on a companion board and detailed his father having serious issues with dementia as a result of too many ring wars. I know he made a fair living as a travelling opponent for many years after the Frazier loss, but he suffered quite a few stoppage losses along the way. Glad he had his moment on the Big Stage.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 23:23
by Rover
Dart340 wrote:Pretty sure Terry's son posted either here or on a companion board and detailed his father having serious issues with dementia as a result of too many ring wars. I know he made a fair living as a travelling opponent for many years after the Frazier loss, but he suffered quite a few stoppage losses along the way. Glad he had his moment on the Big Stage.
I didn't know that. A sad and all to common tale.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 11 Aug 2013, 23:41
by Dart340
I remember when Daniels came to Dayton to fight Tom "Roughhouse" Fischer and it was a big deal due to Daniels' rep as a former contender. Fischer was a solid and strong fighter, but not a big puncher and it definitely wasn't a good sign for Daniels that he got stopped in four. Pretty sure he retired soon afterwards.

Duce, didn't Gullick meet an unfortunate end in Cleveland or am I remembering wrong?

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 12 Aug 2013, 00:06
by Rover
Dart340 wrote:I remember when Daniels came to Dayton to fight Tom "Roughhouse" Fischer and it was a big deal due to Daniels' rep as a former contender. Fischer was a solid and strong fighter, but not a big puncher and it definitely wasn't a good sign for Daniels that he got stopped in four. Pretty sure he retired soon afterwards.

Duce, didn't Gullick meet an unfortunate end in Cleveland or am I remembering wrong?
Just curious, as I've never seen him fight: was Fischer a dirty fighter or something? I just ask because of the nickname.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 12 Aug 2013, 02:23
by Dart340
Rover,

"Roughhouse" Fischer was a 5'10, shaven headed Irish bar bouncer who looked like a human bowling ball who nails for breakfast. It was a great gimmick- probably a take off on area wrestler Sonny "Roughhouse" Fargo- and he looked the part with the goatee and the snarling appearance on fight posters. He was actually fairly good defensively, but his general style was maul and brawl.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 12 Aug 2013, 02:29
by Rover
Dart340 wrote:Rover,

"Roughhouse" Fischer was a 5'10, shaven headed Irish bar bouncer who looked like a human bowling ball who nails for breakfast. It was a great gimmick- probably a take off on area wrestler Sonny "Roughhouse" Fargo- and he looked the part with the goatee and the snarling appearance on fight posters. He was actually fairly good defensively, but his general style was maul and brawl.
Thanks Dart. I just was intrigued by the nickname.

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 07 Jan 2022, 18:41
by Caractacus
maybe there is a clue about Ted Gullick's in this thread somewhere,

Re: Ted Gullick vs. Terry Daniels 'October 19, 1971'

Posted: 07 Jan 2022, 18:42
by Caractacus
Rover wrote: 11 Aug 2013, 03:29
Il Duce wrote:Ted Gullick,

A 'muscular' hard-punching 6' 0" 195 lb. Heavyweight out of Cleveland, Ohio.

Was a one-time 'Street Punk', with a bad reputation.

He could definitely punch, and had a powerful and quick right-hand.

Promoted by Don Elbaum, and built up with a lot of press releases in the Ohio and
western Pennsylvania area.

By May of 1970, had compiled a record of 11-0-0 {10 KO's}, and was considered to be a
better overall fighter than George Foreman.

Press releases stated that Ted was a 23 year-old prospect {on paper}, but Ted was really
25 years-old, and had done some jail time in the late-1960's as a result of his 'street thuggery'.

http://ts2.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.47 ... 5&pid=15.1

Ted burst upon the scene on December 10, 1969 at The Arena in Cleveland.

There, Ted Gullick a 5-Month / '5-Bout' Professional with a record of 5-0-0 {5 KO's} took
on the #2 World Ranked Light-Heavyweight in Sugar Ray Anderson 30-1-0 {19 KO's}.

Though Ted was a Heavyweight {195 lbs.}, he was nowhere near in skill level of the
highly-regarded 179 lb. 'Sugar Ray'.

'Upset Special', as Ted slowly wore the down the more experienced Anderson, and
dropped him '3-Times' enroute to a Knockout {KO 9}.
Wow, some people sure underrated Foreman (regarding the prospect ranking).
very interesting.
" street thuggery " ?