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I think Pernell win by decision

Whitaker wide decision.

Agree with the above.

I have a hard time imagining a way for KT to win this. He can not win on points. However KT is one of those fighters that IF he gets a dead solid shot on you, he can knock out anyone out his own weight. No chin is going to stand up to his best.

This is the only chance he has, and maybe Whitaker fans would be holding their breath to the last round. KT does not get tired so he is dangerous to the last round AND he does not get frustrated. And he had remarkable focus....(Unlike JCC who really was undone by Whitaker on the psyche level). So for that reason I would keep my money in my wallet on this one. But odds are Sweet P dances, gives angles, and never gets hit with a solidly set up shot from KT.

This is assuming both at their best.

I think by the time it was getting to the later rounds, Whitaker would have made him miss, and countered him so much that Tszyu would be tiring big time.

Pernell was not a huge puncher, but he could hit with some authority when he wanted to. I wouldn't be astounded to see him stop Tsyzu late. That won't be a popular sentiment, I am aware.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I think by the time it was getting to the later rounds, Whitaker would have made him miss, and countered him so much that Tszyu would be tiring big time.

Pernell was not a huge puncher, but he could hit with some authority when he wanted to. I wouldn't be astounded to see him stop Tsyzu late. That won't be a popular sentiment, I am aware.

That result would surprise me.

Well to be clear, I'm not saying I think it would happen, I'd go with the UD. Just saying I think the effect of missing shots and getting countered back round after round, would have a serious effect on Tszyu imo.

We never really saw him fight anyone like Whitaker, I think it would have been really bad for him.

Bobbyptsd wrote:Well to be clear, I'm not saying I think it would happen, I'd go with the UD. Just saying I think the effect of missing shots and getting countered back round after round, would have a serious effect on Tszyu imo.

We never really saw him fight anyone like Whitaker, I think it would have been really bad for him.

I agree he'd have had quite a rough time.

I think everyone is sleeping on Tszyu here a little bit, He never had problems with guys who could box and never had a problem with southpaws, And I really can't recall a time were he was being outboxed all night at all/ Obviously Whittaker is a different level to what he normally fought but I think there is a good possibility that he could adjust find his timing and land his right hand.

p4p1 wrote:I think everyone is sleeping on Tszyu here a little bit, He never had problems with guys who could box and never had a problem with southpaws, And I really can't recall a time were he was being outboxed all night at all/ Obviously Whittaker is a different level to what he normally fought but I think there is a good possibility that he could adjust find his timing and land his right hand.

He never fought any southpaw close to Whitaker, though.

Rover wrote:

p4p1 wrote:I think everyone is sleeping on Tszyu here a little bit, He never had problems with guys who could box and never had a problem with southpaws, And I really can't recall a time were he was being outboxed all night at all/ Obviously Whittaker is a different level to what he normally fought but I think there is a good possibility that he could adjust find his timing and land his right hand.

He never fought any southpaw close to Whitaker, though.

Thats true, But he is seriously underrated on this board IMO, Very deceptive fighter.

BoxBuzz wrote:I have a hard time imagining a way for KT to win this. He can not win on points. However KT is one of those fighters that IF he gets a dead solid shot on you, he can knock out anyone out his own weight. No chin is going to stand up to his best.

This is the only chance he has, and maybe Whitaker fans would be holding their breath to the last round. KT does not get tired so he is dangerous to the last round AND he does not get frustrated. And he had remarkable focus....(Unlike JCC who really was undone by Whitaker on the psyche level). So for that reason I would keep my money in my wallet on this one. But odds are Sweet P dances, gives angles, and never gets hit with a solidly set up shot from KT.

This is assuming both at their best.

I agree with all of this.

p4p1 wrote:

Rover wrote:

p4p1 wrote:I think everyone is sleeping on Tszyu here a little bit, He never had problems with guys who could box and never had a problem with southpaws, And I really can't recall a time were he was being outboxed all night at all/ Obviously Whittaker is a different level to what he normally fought but I think there is a good possibility that he could adjust find his timing and land his right hand.

He never fought any southpaw close to Whitaker, though.

Thats true, But he is seriously underrated on this board IMO, Very deceptive fighter.

Yep, I don't agree that KT tires, one of the best conditioned ever. And KT keeps to his plan and had equal mental strength as Whitaker....well until Whitaker started playing around with drugs in which case KT would have the advantage. Because of that focus, conditioning, and mental toughness, KT has a reasonable shot, and it would come in lightening strike.......who knows, might even see that different sort of KT induced dance from Sweet P.


I keep my money safely away from this fight.

Sweet Pea UD, Tszyu damn sure has a puncher's chance. I figure Whitaker would get dropped at least once or twice. I think Whitaker is good enough to take most of the rounds he doesn't go down in, but Tszyu would be a dangerous guy for Whitaker to face no doubt.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I think by the time it was getting to the later rounds, Whitaker would have made him miss, and countered him so much that Tszyu would be tiring big time.

Pernell was not a huge puncher, but he could hit with some authority when he wanted to. I wouldn't be astounded to see him stop Tsyzu late. That won't be a popular sentiment, I am aware.

He was a tremendous body puncher, people never credit him with that and Kostya wasn't great on the inside. I'm more inclined to think it's an 11-1 decision with Pea giving away the last round by doing all defense, but I wouldn't be shocked if he stopped him.

p4p1 wrote:

Rover wrote:

p4p1 wrote:I think everyone is sleeping on Tszyu here a little bit, He never had problems with guys who could box and never had a problem with southpaws, And I really can't recall a time were he was being outboxed all night at all/ Obviously Whittaker is a different level to what he normally fought but I think there is a good possibility that he could adjust find his timing and land his right hand.

He never fought any southpaw close to Whitaker, though.

Thats true, But he is seriously underrated on this board IMO, Very deceptive fighter.

I haven't seen that (his being underrated). We're just confidently picking Whitaker.

Rover wrote:

p4p1 wrote:

Rover wrote: He never fought any southpaw close to Whitaker, though.

Thats true, But he is seriously underrated on this board IMO, Very deceptive fighter.

I haven't seen that (his being underrated). We're just confidently picking Whitaker.

I just feel that if he wasn't Russian/Australian he would of been a bigger star, The only knock on him is he never moved up. If you want to see something really impressive and a completely different style from Tszyu watch his fight against vernon forrest in the 1990 world championship really cool.

Does anyone remember why the Corey Spinks fight didn't come off for Tszyu at WW? I remember it being a fight he wanted and a fight he very likely would of won.

Didn't he get injured? He was out for over a year and then fought Mitchell in November 2004, and by that time Spinks/Judah II was in the works.

Rover wrote:Didn't he get injured? He was out for over a year and then fought Mitchell in November 2004, and by that time Spinks/Judah II was in the works.

Could of been, really a shame for Tszyu's legacy he likely would of beaten Spinks and won his 2nd undisputed title which probably would of made a massive difference after he retired even if he was only able to defend that title once or twice. Hatton was a bad matchup for him not to mention that, well lets just say he had a home ground advantage.

Pernell points

p4p1 wrote:Does anyone remember why the Corey Spinks fight didn't come off for Tszyu at WW? I remember it being a fight he wanted and a fight he very likely would of won.

I believe he would've knocked out Cory Spinks too.

p4p1 wrote:

Rover wrote:Didn't he get injured? He was out for over a year and then fought Mitchell in November 2004, and by that time Spinks/Judah II was in the works.

Could of been, really a shame for Tszyu's legacy he likely would of beaten Spinks and won his 2nd undisputed title which probably would of made a massive difference after he retired even if he was only able to defend that title once or twice. Hatton was a bad matchup for him not to mention that, well lets just say he had a home ground advantage.

I think Hatton really was a bad matchup for him. Vince Phillips beat him years earlier by pressuring the sh*t out of him, wearing him out and stopping him late, Hatton did pretty much the same thing.

I think Kostya would've always had trouble with guys who were aggressive, strong, pressure fighters because he liked to work from mid-range when he could land his best shots. When pressure fighters get all in his chest and smother his shots, he's not very effective.