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Two punchers with solid left hook.Who win?

Frazier W12 Lopsided.

Tua could possibly rock Frazier, hell maybe even drop him...but that would be pretty much his only real moment in the fight. He's tough so he'd hang in there, but Frazier was a better fighter in pretty much every way and would beat the crap out of Tua.

gilgamesh wrote:Frazier W12 Lopsided.

Tua could possibly rock Frazier, hell maybe even drop him...but that would be pretty much his only real moment in the fight. He's tough so he'd hang in there, but Frazier was a better fighter in pretty much every way and would beat the crap out of Tua.

Agreed, or W15.

The prospect that Tua's face would be Hamburger and his gut produce tomato soup for a week occurs to me. I think Tua would be too brave. The fact that Tua might not fall, would be the worst nightmare. It would be like Frazier vs a meat punching bag. I'm sorry, but he's not that mobile, Frazier would evade much of his incoming, and Frazier would not get tired. And he would land, land, land. Ouch.

This fight should not be sanctioned.

Rover wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Frazier W12 Lopsided.

Tua could possibly rock Frazier, hell maybe even drop him...but that would be pretty much his only real moment in the fight. He's tough so he'd hang in there, but Frazier was a better fighter in pretty much every way and would beat the crap out of Tua.

Agreed, or W15.

I assume they'd make it 12 rounds seeing as how Tua only ever competed in the 12 round era. If it's a 15 rounder that just means 3 more rounds of ass kicking coming Tua's way.

BoxBuzz wrote:The prospect that Tua's face would be Hamburger and his gut produce tomato soup for a week occurs to me. I think Tua would be too brave. The fact that Tua might not fall, would be the worst nightmare. It would be like Frazier vs a meat punching bag. I'm sorry, but he's not that mobile, Frazier would evade much of his incoming, and Frazier would not get tired. And he would land, land, land. Ouch.

This fight should not be sanctioned.

Don't worry it won't be.

I think Tua at his fittest would probably have too much power. Although often overweight he jointly holds the heavyweight punch output record. Tua would I suspect score multiple knock-downs, but Frazier might keep getting up. Tua in around 7.

polecateddy wrote:I think Tua at his fittest would probably have too much power. Although often overweight he jointly holds the heavyweight punch output record. Tua would I suspect score multiple knock-downs, but Frazier might keep getting up. Tua in around 7.

Bollox.

Frazier couldn't miss that ox.

Only thing Tua would show is ability to soak up punishment.

Sure he was vulnerable to rangey types. But surely Frazier would be right in front of him and there to be hit. If Tua is given a good target he is undoubtedly dangerous.

polecateddy wrote:Sure he was vulnerable to rangey types. But surely Frazier would be right in front of him and there to be hit. If Tua is given a good target he is undoubtedly dangerous.

Prime Frazier isn't some sort of punchbag that a fairly limited (at the highest level) guy like Tua will be able to zero in on.

When Joe is smashing the brutal left hook into an even fit Tua's ample girth I suspect David will soon be giving ground.

This would be a entertaining but one sided fight. Tua might get a kd but other than that Joe has to much hand speed and output. Plus I think David might have trouble landing on Joe,wide UD

polecateddy wrote:Sure he was vulnerable to rangey types. But surely Frazier would be right in front of him and there to be hit. If Tua is given a good target he is undoubtedly dangerous.

Just like Frazier stood right in front of Ali? Frazier at his best had very good movement.

Short fight, with Frazier staying in hospital for a while. See Frazier-Foreman (George was 5-1 to 7-2 underdog).

Senya13 wrote:Short fight, with Frazier staying in hospital for a while. See Frazier-Foreman (George was 5-1 to 7-2 underdog).

It's kind of blasphemy on here I suppose, but if you watch fights like Frazier v Foreman 2, that left hook wasn't looking particularly lethal. I think Tua is a far bigger hitter with his hook.

polecateddy wrote:

Senya13 wrote:Short fight, with Frazier staying in hospital for a while. See Frazier-Foreman (George was 5-1 to 7-2 underdog).

It's kind of blasphemy on here I suppose, but if you watch fights like Frazier v Foreman 2, that left hook wasn't looking particularly lethal. I think Tua is a far bigger hitter with his hook.

Basing your analysis of Frazier's left hook on the second Foreman fight in '76 ranks as one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen here and that takes some doing.

Frazier was a shot fighter in '76.

yancey wrote:

polecateddy wrote:

Senya13 wrote:Short fight, with Frazier staying in hospital for a while. See Frazier-Foreman (George was 5-1 to 7-2 underdog).

It's kind of blasphemy on here I suppose, but if you watch fights like Frazier v Foreman 2, that left hook wasn't looking particularly lethal. I think Tua is a far bigger hitter with his hook.

Basing your analysis of Frazier's left hook on the second Foreman fight in '76 ranks as one of the stupidest comments I've ever seen here and that takes some doing.

Frazier was a shot fighter in '76.

Last thing a fighter is supposed to lose is his punch. I don't think it's far fetched to suggest Tua was the bigger one punch hitter.

^^^ maybe not but Frazier was a better all round fighter.

Frazier looked pretty terrible getting bounced off the canvas by Foreman.

polecateddy wrote:Frazier looked pretty terrible getting bounced off the canvas by Foreman.

So would Tua

p4p1 wrote:

polecateddy wrote:Frazier looked pretty terrible getting bounced off the canvas by Foreman.

So would Tua

Would not :)

There's somebody who's doubting Tua's left hook was by far harder than Frazier's?

Foreman of the 1st Frazier fight was even less skilled fighter than Tua, and his punches were every bit as predictable if not more than David's.

Senya13 wrote:There's somebody who's doubting Tua's left hook was by far harder than Frazier's?

Foreman of the 1st Frazier fight was even less skilled fighter than Tua, and his punches were every bit as predictable if not more than David's.

He was also 6'4 so a lot longer and not as unskilled as people like to think along with ungodly power he obviously had some skill and speed there have been many power punchers in boxing but not many who ran through people like George Foreman did. Comparing Tua to Foreman really makes no sense they are not similar in anyway.

They were two sluggers who relied on their punching power and toughness of chin. Other fighters (than Frazier) showed how unskilled young George Foreman was. At least Tua had some defensive skills. I don't know what relation there is between word 'speed' and George Foreman.

I can't believe anybody is suggesting that Tua would beat Frazier, the comparison to Foreman is laughable, Tua had a good left hook, Foreman had a good everything.

I wouldn't necessarily be shocked to see Tua rock or maybe even knock down Frazier here, but I mean this is Joe Frazier...the guy that got up 5 times against Foreman.

Tua wouldn't be good enough to put him down 5 times, and once Joe got up and started smoking. Tua just wouldn't be able to keep up with the pace of the fight. Frazier was on a significantly higher skill level than Tua ever was.

Foreman had everything that looked good against tomato cans and vs... Joe Frazier.

I asked this question many times before, but what are the best one-punch knockdowns or knockouts scored by Foreman during 1970s that are on film? Where he didn't need to wear an opponent down or land several clean punches before getting them on the canvas?

Tua kept up the pace vs Ike, which still holds the record at heavyweight. To think that he wouldn't be able to keep up the pace is plain silly.

Frazier might have had all the skills in the world, they didn't work at all vs primitive, but powerful and hard-hitting slugger like Foreman.