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Ramos KO1, obviously.

Giancarlo wrote:Ramos KO1, obviously.

Not so sure. Manuel could also choose to carry Ali a few rounds to display his awesome boxing skills before lowering the boom. I'd say Ramos KO5, scorecards after 4 would be in the 40-32 range for Ramos.

hhaehre wrote:

Giancarlo wrote:Ramos KO1, obviously.

Not so sure. Manuel could also choose to carry Ali a few rounds to display his awesome boxing skills before lowering the boom. I'd say Ramos KO5, scorecards after 4 would be in the 40-32 range for Ramos.

Yeah, good point.

Any way, this is certainly one that Clay just can't win given the massive disparity in skill and opposition level.

You guys can't be serious?! There is no chance that Ramos would never touch Ali in his prime. Look at Ramos' best wins: Beating a faded Eddie Machen and a downhill Ernie Terrell. Ramos got destroyed by Smokin Joe Frazier in 2, lost to George Chuvalo by TKO in 5, losing to Duane Bobick, Joe Bugner and Ron Lyle. I know that is your opinion and I will not change your mind. Either you hate Ali or you are just trolling.

Here's the result if they ever fought:

Ali by KO from 1 to 5.

What started as interesting thread has ended up on the usual path...i was really learning something here...but alas it was a lure into another ali draft dodger thread...sad...and boring.

Il douche.....

Bollocks...

I was very impressed with Manuel Ramos at the time he defeated Lars Norling and Eddie Machen, but after all his carear at the top was only 2 years. He started with as many losses as wins - had a good looking stretch until stopped by Joe Frazier - and then went downhill with the same speed as Thad Spencer. Lack of training? Lack of motivation? Need for a great trainer? Or was he simply not good enough at the top of the heavyweight division.? After all: Lars Norlig was shot, Eddie Machen was on the slide and as far as I have read (I have not seen the fight) the decision over Ernie Terrel was suspect.
Manuel Ramos against Jerry Quarry, Leotis Martin or Jimmy Ellis would have been interesting, but a fight against Muhammad Ali would have been a no win situation.
No promotor could have made a dollar out of that fight. In Mexico with some "Black drug money", maybe, but who would buy that? The champ or the nessecary TV support?

Woller

Il Duce wrote:

evrenb wrote:Bollocks...

I like your 'spunk',

Pearly necklace requests should be made in the Current Scene section.

George was wrong.

Clay has no chance against Ramos.

The only way he could make it out of the 1st 3 rounds is if the fix was in like it was for the fights with Cooper, Liston, Frazier & Foreman.

That uppity Clay was a fraud. And a draft dodger. And he boffed white women. And he never paid your uncle for all those funky rhymes.

Godamsunofabitch, somebody ought to do something about that!