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Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 17 Sep 2013, 23:17
by klompton
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 08:34
by klompton
Im sure they know as much about this case as youve found on google news
Yeah, that knockout you contend resulted in an embarrassing loss by the United States which is now considered a black mark and a violation of the mans civil liberties. So in essence what you consider a knockout win for the United States Govt was actually a disqualification loss via low blow by the United States Govt resulting in a win for Ali. But way to try to spin it.
Connecticut huh? Funny. I seem to recall you saying over and over how you live in New York City. Now its Connecticut. Must have been difficult to uproot and leave the place you had supposedly lived your entire life (yet couldnt accurately describe to fellow New Yorkers who lived in the same supposed neighborhood). I guess we know why now. Must be tough keeping all of those lies straight.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 09:44
by BoxBuzz
These two subject matters that you mention regarding the man formerly known as Cassius.
Would not under any circumstances be "mutually exclusive".
Yet you seem to assume they are. It's a very unusual set of assumptions on your part.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 10:44
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Sorry Klompton,
Cassius Clay was 'flat out' on the canvas for nearly 3-Years.
He won the 'rematch', I mean his 'high-priced' lawyer won the battle in the Court Room
for him in 1970.
It was Muhammad Ali's contention that he be exempted from the United States Selective Service Draft
because of his beliefs, or that he was a Black Muslim Minister.
Yet, he originally argued, that he wanted to be a Conscientious Objector because of his religious beliefs.
Sounds like one confused man from Louisville, Kentucky, USA.
The 'Plain and Simple Truth'..........Muhammad Ali just didn't want to be enlisted in the Army. Yet, he couldn't say it.
Did Muhammad say the 'truth' or did he try to dance around the issue.............
It was a 9-0 decision by SCOTUS for the GOAT. He is on the right side of history. You and those that think like you are on the wrong side of history. It's really that simple.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 11:03
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Mr. That One,
Are you saying that the Supreme Court has never made a 'wrong decision' or one
that appeared to be the correct one 'on the surface' for political reasons.
If you were a 'Regular Joe', would you have gotten the same 'fair decision'.
Remember, Cassius Clay was just a Professional Boxer, and an 'in question' Black Muslim Minister.
If I was a Regular Joe I would have got a college deferment. Failing that I would have got a spot in the National Guard. How many elite athletes of his era actually became infantrymen?
Back to the original question which was his religious conviction sincere and did his religious conviction preclude military service. History suggests the answer is yes.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 11:16
by evrenb
klompton wrote:Im sure they know as much about this case as youve found on google news
Yeah, that knockout you contend resulted in an embarrassing loss by the United States which is now considered a black mark and a violation of the mans civil liberties. So in essence what you consider a knockout win for the United States Govt was actually a disqualification loss via low by the United States Govt resulting in a win for Ali. But way to try to spin it.
Connecticut huh? Funny. I seem to recall you saying over and over how you live in New York City. Now its Connecticut. Must have been difficult to uproot and leave the place you had supposedly lived your entire life (yet couldnt accurately describe to fellow New Yorkers who lived in the same supposed neighborhood). I guess we know why now. Must be tough keeping all of those lies straight.
Hey I thought Il Duce was from Pittsburgh as was intimated in the Sonny Liston filmed fights thread where he knew the local promoter/pizza parlor owner....confused!!!
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 11:17
by evrenb
evrenb wrote:klompton wrote:Im sure they know as much about this case as youve found on google news
Yeah, that knockout you contend resulted in an embarrassing loss by the United States which is now considered a black mark and a violation of the mans civil liberties. So in essence what you consider a knockout win for the United States Govt was actually a disqualification loss via low by the United States Govt resulting in a win for Ali. But way to try to spin it.
Connecticut huh? Funny. I seem to recall you saying over and over how you live in New York City. Now its Connecticut. Must have been difficult to uproot and leave the place you had supposedly lived your entire life (yet couldnt accurately describe to fellow New Yorkers who lived in the same supposed neighborhood). I guess we know why now. Must be tough keeping all of those lies straight.
Hey I thought Il Duce was from Pittsburgh as was intimated in the Sonny Liston filmed fights thread where he knew the local promoter/pizza parlor owner....confused!!!
Or is it Predappio??
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 11:35
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Mr. That One,
Do you think Cassius Clay went the way of the Black Muslims to get a 'quick position'
as a Minister ?
Then, possibly to use that 'title' to get out of Induction into the United States Military.
Maybe just a little bit..............
Do you think William Faversham {former Colonel in Air Force} knew a few 'Armed Service'
contacts who advised Mr. Faversham what to tell his fighter to do, to help stall off the
local Draft Board.
The path of least resistance would have been to be inducted, box exhibition fights like Joe Louis did in WW ll, and then resume his professional career in a couple of years. But he didn't want to lend his name to a war he felt was unjust. That decision cost him the best years of a pro athlete's life, the years in which he reaches his mental and physical peak.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:24
by yancey
klompton wrote:Im sure they know as much about this case as youve found on google news
Yeah, that knockout you contend resulted in an embarrassing loss by the United States which is now considered a black mark and a violation of the mans civil liberties. So in essence what you consider a knockout win for the United States Govt was actually a disqualification loss via low by the United States Govt resulting in a win for Ali. But way to try to spin it.
Connecticut huh? Funny. I seem to recall you saying over and over how you live in New York City. Now its Connecticut. Must have been difficult to uproot and leave the place you had supposedly lived your entire life (yet couldnt accurately describe to fellow New Yorkers who lived in the same supposed neighborhood). I guess we know why now. Must be tough keeping all of those lies straight.
Lots of people have homes in Connecticut and also NYC.
CT and NY are neighboring states, which some of our geographically-challenged contributors may not understand.
For all we know, Duce may be big-time old money with palatial estates in many states who just happens to have a deep interest in the '60s boxing scene.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:25
by yancey
Il Duce wrote:Muhammad Ali was 'not' that deep in 1967.
He was no 'visionary' about the Vietnam Conflict.
In truth, he wanted 'special favors', and felt that he made no difference
in participating in the Armed Services, which that he was correct on.
And, being inducted in the United States Military did not mean he was lending
his name to an unjust war.
This is correct.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:46
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Muhammad Ali was 'not' that deep in 1967.
He was no 'visionary' about the Vietnam Conflict.
In truth, he wanted 'special favors', and felt that he made no difference
in participating in the Armed Services, which that he was correct on.
And, being inducted in the United States Military did not mean he was lending
his name to an unjust war.
We already addressed that. SCOTUS ruled 9-0 in favor of the GOAT. He was on the right side of history, ergo:
http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/658/muhammad-ali63.jpg
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:47
by funso banjo baby
war is criminal
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:50
by klompton
ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:Mr. That One,
Are you saying that the Supreme Court has never made a 'wrong decision' or one
that appeared to be the correct one 'on the surface' for political reasons.
If you were a 'Regular Joe', would you have gotten the same 'fair decision'.
Remember, Cassius Clay was just a Professional Boxer, and an 'in question' Black Muslim Minister.
If I was a Regular Joe I would have got a college deferment. Failing that I would have got a spot in the National Guard. How many elite athletes of his era actually became infantrymen?
Back to the original question which was his religious conviction sincere and did his religious conviction preclude military service. History suggests the answer is yes.
Duce cant keep his own lies straight. If you go back and look at his posts at ESB he gets into an argument with a local New Yorker who lived in the neighborhood Duce purported to live in. Duce couldnt seem to accurately describe the neighborhood outside of details he found on the internet. Hes flip flopped back and forth that he was a WBA official. He knew this guy over here and that guy over there but then cant get actual facts about those people from that era straight. The facts he does get straight you can pick word from word from google news and newspaper archive, and other historical media outlets. That along with the NUMEROUS times hes been caught outright lying and I think its safe to say very little of what comes out of his mouth either related to the sport in general, or himself, can be taken as fact, including where he lives/d. But if other people want to believe hes "old money" who owns homes in Pittsburgh, New York, and Connecticut, who was a WBA official, and just happens to have nothing better to do than posting thread after thread of lies about Ali all day and night Ive got some prime real estate to sell and you are lucky to get in on the ground floor LOL.
In reality Duce is a relatively young guy who MIGHT have been born in the early 80s that happens to have a collection of magazines, a subscription to the internet, a fertile imagination, and a chip on his shoulder.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:53
by ThatOne
This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion and victory in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter, and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr., believed their son could be. Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate, and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own.
-George Walker Bush
Read more at the American Presidency Project: George W. Bush: Remarks on Presenting the Presidential Medal of Freedom
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=64365#ixzz2fGQ
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Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 12:57
by ThatOne
klompton wrote:ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:Mr. That One,
Are you saying that the Supreme Court has never made a 'wrong decision' or one
that appeared to be the correct one 'on the surface' for political reasons.
If you were a 'Regular Joe', would you have gotten the same 'fair decision'.
Remember, Cassius Clay was just a Professional Boxer, and an 'in question' Black Muslim Minister.
If I was a Regular Joe I would have got a college deferment. Failing that I would have got a spot in the National Guard. How many elite athletes of his era actually became infantrymen?
Back to the original question which was his religious conviction sincere and did his religious conviction preclude military service. History suggests the answer is yes.
Duce cant keep his own lies straight. If you go back and look at his posts at ESB he gets into an argument with a local New Yorker who lived in the neighborhood Duce purported to live in. Duce couldnt seem to accurately describe the neighborhood outside of details he found on the internet. Hes flip flopped back and forth that he was a WBA official. He knew this guy over here and that guy over there but then cant get actual facts about those people from that era straight. The facts he does get straight you can pick word from word from google news and newspaper archive, and other historical media outlets. That along with the NUMEROUS times hes been caught outright lying and I think its safe to say very little of what comes out of his mouth either related to the sport in general, or himself, can be taken as fact, including where he lives/d. But if other people want to believe hes "old money" who owns homes in Pittsburgh, New York, and Connecticut, who was a WBA official, and just happens to have nothing better to do than posting thread after thread of lies about Ali all day and night Ive got some prime real estate to sell and you are lucky to get in on the ground floor LOL.
In reality Duce is a relatively young guy who MIGHT have been born in the early 80s that happens to have a collection of magazines, a subscription to the internet, a fertile imagination, and a chip on his shoulder.
"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."
-Louis Brandeis
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 13:06
by klompton
Il Duce wrote:Sorry Klompton,
Cassius Clay was 'flat out' on the canvas for nearly 3-Years.
He won the 'rematch', I mean his 'high-priced' lawyer won the battle in the Court Room
for him in 1970.
It was Muhammad Ali's contention that he be exempted from the United States Selective Service Draft
because of his beliefs, or that he was a Black Muslim Minister.
Yet, he originally argued, that he wanted to be a Conscientious Objector because of his religious beliefs.
Sounds like one confused man from Louisville, Kentucky, USA.
The 'Plain and Simple Truth'..........Muhammad Ali just didn't want to be enlisted in the Army. Yet, he couldn't say it.
Did Muhammad say the 'truth' or did he try to dance around the issue.............
Only a dumbass would think that a court decision which ended up hurting the United States and costing the tax payers unnecessary money was a victory for anyone simply because it inconvenienced someone (one man) they didnt like. But there you go...
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 13:32
by ThatOne
klompton wrote:Il Duce wrote:Sorry Klompton,
Cassius Clay was 'flat out' on the canvas for nearly 3-Years.
He won the 'rematch', I mean his 'high-priced' lawyer won the battle in the Court Room
for him in 1970.
It was Muhammad Ali's contention that he be exempted from the United States Selective Service Draft
because of his beliefs, or that he was a Black Muslim Minister.
Yet, he originally argued, that he wanted to be a Conscientious Objector because of his religious beliefs.
Sounds like one confused man from Louisville, Kentucky, USA.
The 'Plain and Simple Truth'..........Muhammad Ali just didn't want to be enlisted in the Army. Yet, he couldn't say it.
Did Muhammad say the 'truth' or did he try to dance around the issue.............
Only a dumbass would think that a court decision which ended up hurting the United States and costing the tax payers unnecessary money was a victory for anyone simply because it inconvenienced someone (one man) they didnt like. But there you go...
History has rendered its decision and its decision was awarded to Muhammad Ali, the protestations of Il Duce and some other deadenders notwithstanding.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 13:54
by gilgamesh
Il Duce wrote:Muhammad Ali was 'not' that deep in 1967.
He was no 'visionary' about the Vietnam Conflict.
In truth, he wanted 'special favors', and felt that he made no difference
in participating in the Armed Services, which that he was correct on.
And, being inducted in the United States Military did not mean he was lending
his name to an unjust war.
Yes, it would've meant he was lending his name to an unjust war. I think his decision to not join the Military was a perfectly reasonable and logical one. Just like it still would be today.
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 14:00
by gilgamesh
Il Duce wrote:funso banjo baby wrote:war is criminal
No it is not...........
If it wasn't for the Revolutionary War, we'd be drinking Tea here in the 'United States of America'.
God Save The Queen
There have been wars that had to be fought throughout human history (The American Revolution, The War of 1812 and World War II being amongst them), but America has not been involved in a war that should've been fought in the last 60+ years, and that includes the Vietnam War and the Korean War.
Just like they're doing now with Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. It's almost as if the American Government operates with the mindset of the Orwellian warlords from 1984.
" The war is not meant to be won, it's meant to be constant"
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 18 Sep 2013, 14:13
by yancey
ThatOne wrote:klompton wrote:Il Duce wrote:Sorry Klompton,
Cassius Clay was 'flat out' on the canvas for nearly 3-Years.
He won the 'rematch', I mean his 'high-priced' lawyer won the battle in the Court Room
for him in 1970.
It was Muhammad Ali's contention that he be exempted from the United States Selective Service Draft
because of his beliefs, or that he was a Black Muslim Minister.
Yet, he originally argued, that he wanted to be a Conscientious Objector because of his religious beliefs.
Sounds like one confused man from Louisville, Kentucky, USA.
The 'Plain and Simple Truth'..........Muhammad Ali just didn't want to be enlisted in the Army. Yet, he couldn't say it.
Did Muhammad say the 'truth' or did he try to dance around the issue.............
Only a dumbass would think that a court decision which ended up hurting the United States and costing the tax payers unnecessary money was a victory for anyone simply because it inconvenienced someone (one man) they didnt like. But there you go...
History has rendered its decision and its decision was awarded to Muhammad Ali, the protestations of Il Duce and some other deadenders notwithstanding.
"History is the final fiction".
William Randolph Hearst
Re: Il Duce's head just exploded!!!
Posted: 20 Sep 2013, 02:19
by Hairy Arse
Seems weird that HBO are so keen on glorifying Ali. Wasn't all that long ago they were broadcasting a documentary dedicated to tearing his name apart. But I suppose his name will always bring ratings.
