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Light-Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde v. Ricardo Lopez

Flyweight: Fidel LaBarba v. Pascual Perez

Jr. Bantamweight: George Dixon v. Khasoi Galaxy

Bantamweight: Eder Jofre v. Ruben Oliveres

Jr. Featherweight: Abe Attel v. Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight: Willie Pep v. Sandy Saddler

Jr. Lightweight: Alexis Arguello v. Manny Pacquiao

Lightweight: Henry Armstrong v. Roberto Duran

Jr. Welterweight: Jose Napoles v. Aaron Pryor

Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson v. Sugar Ray Leonard

Jr. Middleweight: Stanley Ketchel v. Charley Burley

Middleweight: Harry Greb v. Carlos Monzon

Super Middleweight: Bob Fitzsimmons v. Billy Conn

Light-Heavyweight: Sam Langford v. Ezzard Charles

Cruiserweight: Jack Dempsey v. Joe Louis

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali v. Larry Holmes

Super Heavyweight: Lennox Lewis v. Vitaly Klitschko

For me

Heavyweight: Wladimir Klitchsko v Lennox Lewis
Cruiserweight: David Haye v Evander Holyfield
Light Heavyweight: Bob Foster v Roy Jones Jnr
Super Middleweight: James Toney v Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight: Mavin Hagler v Carlos Monzon
Light-Middleweight: Floyd Mayweather v Thomas Hearns
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Leonard v Mayweather
Light Welterweight Kostya Tzuyu v JCC Snr
Lightweight: Juan Manuel Marquez v Roberto Duran

Heavyweight:

Muhammad Ali vs. Larry Holmes; however the most exciting fight would more than likely be Jack Dempsey versus Rocky Marciano.


Cruiserweight:

Evander Holyfield vs. Virgil Hill; probably the most exciting fight that could ever be made between cruiserweight champions though probably would be Qawi and Jirov, brute pressure and strength versus iron will and determination.


Light Heavyweight:

Ezzard Charles vs. Sam Langford; probably the most exciting fight that could ever be made among light heavyweight champions, however, I would venture to say would be Archie Moore & Michael Spinks.


Super Middleweight:

Joe Calzaghe vs. Steve Collins; however, in terms of hypothetical matches, considering an awful lot of men were unable to compete at 168 because it simply didnt exist in their time and so many ATG's fit into that current weight class, I would venture to say Billy Conn vs. Bob Fitzsimmons or Jake LaMotta would have been the most exciting fights.


Middleweight:

Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Harry Greb; however the most exciting fight may of been with either one of those men against the likes of Bob Fitzsimmons--- in fact any one of those two against the ATG Top Ten of the Middleweight divisions history would have been one heck of a fight.


Junior Middleweight:

We already seen it in Duran vs. Hearns; a rematch between the two would have been interesting.


Welterweight:

Sugar Ray Robinson vs. Sugar Ray Leonard; there are so many atg great fights that could be made at this weight its almost pointless to list even some---- this is the dream division---- and for the most part we saw several dream matches in Leonard/Duran/Hearns/Hagler and others.


Junior Welterweight:

Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr; this is a division that goes through its ups and downs, at least in terms of being overated or underated--- but again, alot of fights can be made here.


Lightweight:

Roberto Duran vs. Juan Manuel Marquez; again another firecracker division in which some of the sports greatest fighters of all time competed---- and alot of great fights could be made.

Straw: Ricardo Lopez vs Roman Gonzalez
Jr. Fly: Jung-Koo Chang vs Yoko Gushiken
Fly: Fidel LaBarba vs Pancho Villa
Jr. Bantam: Khaosai Galaxy vs Jiro Watanabe
Bantam: Rafael Marquez vs Lupe Pintor
Jr Feather: Wilfredo Gomez vs Erik Morales
Feather: Henry Armstrong vs Willie Pep
Jr Light: Floyd Mayweather vs Sandy Saddler
Light: Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran
Jr Welter: Aaron Pryor vs Manny Pacquiao
Welter: Carmen Basilio vs Emile Griffith
Jr Middle: Thomas Hearns vs Mike McCallum
Middle: Sam Langford vs Harry Greb
Super Middle: Roy Jones vs Joe Calzaghe
Light Heavy: Ezzard Charles vs Gene Tunney
Cruiser: Vassily Jirov vs ST Gordon
Heavy: Evander Holyfield vs Joe Frazier

Minimumweight: Ricardo Lopez vs Roman Gonzalez
Light Flyweight: Michael Carbajal vs Jung-Koo-Chang
Flyweight: Yuri Arbachakov vs Marc Johnson
Super Fly : Khaosai vs Sung-Kil Moon
Bantamweight: Rafa Marquez vs Carlos Zarate
Super Bantamweight: Guillermo Rigondeaux vs Marco Antonio Barrera
Featherweight: Salvador Sanchez vs Willie Pep
Super Featherweight: Azumah Nelson vs Rocky Lockridge
Lightweight: Pernell Whitaker vs Manny Pacquiao
Light Welterweight: Aaron Pryor vs Julio Cesar Chavez
Welterweight: Felix Trinidad vs Shane Mosley
Light Middleweight: Terry Norris vs Floyd Mayweather
Middleweight : Marvin Hagler vs Roy Jones jr
Super Middleweight : Joe Calzaghe vs James Toney
Light Heavyweight : Ezzard Charles vs Michael Spinks
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield vs Juan Carlos Gomez
Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson

So IRLangmaid believes that only one fighter prior to the 80's, and nobody prior to the 70's is good enough to feature in an all time world title bout? And Saad, yours must be tongue in cheek (I'm thinking particularly of your Cruiser and Heavy picks - Holy at heavy, but not at cruiser? ST Gordon ahead of Qawi, Holy, and Haye at cruiser? Frazier ahead of two men who beat him twice in Ali and Foreman at heavy? Not to mention Holmes and Louis and......etc etc)

SamWise72 wrote:And Saad, yours must be tongue in cheek (I'm thinking particularly of your Cruiser and Heavy picks - Holy at heavy, but not at cruiser? ST Gordon ahead of Qawi, Holy, and Haye at cruiser? Frazier ahead of two men who beat him twice in Ali and Foreman at heavy? Not to mention Holmes and Louis and......etc etc)

He didn't say it had to be the two greatest fighters in every division, he asked for your all time fights. I assumed he meant the fights I'd want to see. Nobody else has a list that could constitute the top 2 either. The OP has Vitali Klitschko!

I'd rather see Holyfield/Frazier than any other Heavyweight fight. Evander was so dominant at Cruiser there isn't much that would be competitive. Gordon/Jirov would be awesome.

Interesting thread:-

The fights I would like to have seen are as follows:-

Heavyweight: Sonny Liston -v- George Foreman
Cruiserweight: David Haye -v- Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Light Heavyweight: Bob Foster -v- Matthew Saad Muhammad
Super Middleweight: James Toney -v- Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight: Stanley Ketchel -v- Harry Greb
Light Middleweight: Mike McCallum -v- Thomas Hearns
Welterweight: Emile Griffith -v- Pipino Cuevas
Light Weltwerweight: Aaron Pryor -v-Pernell Whittaker
Lightweight: Benny Leonard -v- Roberto Duran
Super Featherweight: Azumah Nelson -v- Alexis Arguello
Featherweight: Prince Naseem Hamed -v- Sandy Saddler
Bantamweight: Jeff Chandler -v- Eder Jofre
Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde -v- 'Fighting' Harada

Interesting lists. The way I approached was to take each guy at the weight at which I consider him to have reached his pound-for-pound peak and limited him to that division, and then take my 2 all-time best at each particular weight. So, for super-heavyweight, which in my mind is, loosely speaking, 235 and above, it's a short list, say Lewis, Bowe, and the Klitschko brothers. Anyone else?

Some speculation too of course. For example, Jose Napoles was a terror at lightweight coming up and could have made jr. welter pretty much his whole career. He was a great, but small welterweight champ but really a natural jr. welter, I think. So, that's where I put him. Went through a similar line of reasoning to get Billy Conn at super-middle.

Anyway, just for fun.

My bad, I misunderstood.I'd take Bowe/Lewis there and I'm not going to cross the imaginary weight lines because it would make my head hurt. As for the top two in every division, several are the same for me.

Lopez/Calderon
Chang/Gushiken
Villa/LaBarba
Galaxy/Darchinyan
Jofre/Olivares
Gomez/Morales
Armstrong/Pep
Mayweather/Arguello
Duran/Leonard
Whitaker/Mayweather
Robinson/Gavilan
Hearns/McCallum
Hagler/Greb
Jones/Ward
Charles/Moore
Holyfield/Toney
Ali/Louis

Again, you have Toney as one of your top two cruisers of all time? I feel like I've stumbled into the wrong bar by mistake. Don't get me wrong, I love Toney, but probably the all time cruiserweight title fight actually happened, and it was Holy/Qawi. If not, it would be Holy/Haye, but Haye didn't do enough anywhere.

Mr E wrote:Interesting lists. The way I approached was to take each guy at the weight at which I consider him to have reached his pound-for-pound peak and limited him to that division, and then take my 2 all-time best at each particular weight. So, for super-heavyweight, which in my mind is, loosely speaking, 235 and above, it's a short list, say Lewis, Bowe, and the Klitschko brothers. Anyone else?

Some speculation too of course. For example, Jose Napoles was a terror at lightweight coming up and could have made jr. welter pretty much his whole career. He was a great, but small welterweight champ but really a natural jr. welter, I think. So, that's where I put him. Went through a similar line of reasoning to get Billy Conn at super-middle.

Anyway, just for fun.

I didn't realise it was a top 2 in every division; I thought it was the hypothetical contests you would have liked to have seen.

I'll have to run up another list now.

HW ..... joe louis vs mike tyson ......i like the style match up
CR.......holyfield vs marciano
LH........ezzard charles vs roy jones
SM....... james toney vs calzaghe
M......... Hagler vs harry greb
LM....... terry norris vs sam langford
WW.....sugar ray robinson vs tommy hearns
LW.....julio cesar chavez vs henry armstrong
L....... Duran vs whitaker
SF..... azumah nelson vs alexis arguello
F........willie pep vs tony canzoneri
B........ zarate vs ortis
F ......jimmy wilde vs richardo lopez

I would only want to see one fight and that is Greb vs Robinson at 160

SamWise72 wrote:Again, you have Toney as one of your top two cruisers of all time? I feel like I've stumbled into the wrong bar by mistake. Don't get me wrong, I love Toney, but probably the all time cruiserweight title fight actually happened, and it was Holy/Qawi. If not, it would be Holy/Haye, but Haye didn't do enough anywhere.

There is a difference between all time rankings and whom I would call the best fighters in their best moment. You pick on that and ignore Whitaker/Floyd at 140 with a combined 4 fights? How many bouts did Fitzsimmons have at Super Middle?

How about you offer your own list?

Light-Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde v. Ricardo Lopez

Flyweight: Fidel LaBarba v. Pascual Perez

Jr. Bantamweight: George Dixon v. Khasoi Galaxy

Bantamweight: Eder Jofre v. Ruben Oliveres

Jr. Featherweight: Abe Attel v. Wilfredo Gomez

Featherweight: Willie Pep v. Sandy Saddler

Jr. Lightweight: Alexis Arguello v. Kid Chocolate

Lightweight: Henry Armstrong v. Roberto Duran

Jr. Welterweight: Jose Napoles v. Aaron Pryor

Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson v. Sugar Ray Leonard

Jr. Middleweight: Stanley Ketchel v. Charley Burley

Middleweight: Harry Greb v. Marvin Hagler

Super Middleweight: Bob Fitzsimmons v. Billy Conn

Light-Heavyweight: Sam Langford v. Ezzard Charles

Cruiserweight: Rocky Marciano v. Gene Tunney

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali v. Joe Louis

Just going off the top of my head with a lot of these

Jr. Flyweight: Ricardo Lopez vs Jimmy Wilde
Flyweight: Michael Carbajal vs Pascaul Perez
Jr. Bantamweight: Sung Kil Moon vs Khaosai Galaxy
Bantamweight: Carlos Zarate vs Ruben Olivares
Jr. Featherweight: Erik Morales vs Wilfredo Gomez
Featherweight: Sandy Saddler vs Marco Antonio Barrera
Jr. Lightweight: Manny Pacquiao vs Alexis Arguello
Lightweight: Julio Cesar Chavez vs Roberto Duran
Jr. Welterweight: Aaron Pryor vs Kostya Tszyu
Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson vs Thomas Hearns
Jr. Middleweight: Tito Trinidad vs Rocky Graziano (sure-fire barnburner while it lasts)
Middleweight: Harry Greb vs Marvin Hagler
Super Middleweight: James Toney vs Joe Calzaghe
Light Heavyweight: Matthew Saad Muhammad vs Tomasz Adamek (not the 2 best Light Heavies ever, but hard for me to imagine a more exciting fight at 175)
Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield vs David Haye (would be great to watch Holyfield stomp a mudhole in Haye's ass)
Heavyweight: Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano

Heavy: Marciano vs Holyfield
Cruiser: Bobby Czyz vs David Haye
Light Heavy: Bob Foster vs Dariusz Michalczewski
Super Middle: Nigel Benn vs Thomas Hearns
Middle: Stanley Ketchel vs Ray Robinson
Light Middle: Thomas Hearns vs Mike McCallum
Welter: Felix Trinidad vs Ted (Kid) Lewis
Light Welter: Julio Cesar Chavez vs Henry Armstrong
Lightweight: Benny Leonard vs Roberto Duran
Super Feather: Jeff Fenech vs Arturo Gatti
Feather: Willie Pep vs Salvador Sanchez
Super Bantam: Jeff Fenech vs Manny Pacquiao
Bantam: Carlos Zarate vs Fighting Harada
Super Fly: Khaosai Galaxy vs Johnny Tapia
Fly: Sot Chitalada vs Yuri Arbachakov
Light Fly: Humberto Gonzalez vs Hilario Zapata
Straw: Ricardo Lopez vs Ivan Calderon

Two natural cruisers for the all time heavy title, and Czyz as one of the two best cruiserweights of all time? The thinking behind this is a mystery to me.

My list, which will undoubtedly have holes in it, and will stop short of the lightest weights due to lack of knowledge.

Superheavy (if we're doing that) Lewis v V Klitschko
Heavy - Ali vs Holmes
Cruiser - Marciano vs Holyfield
Light Heavy - Moore vs Charles
Super Middle - Calzaghe vs Jones
Middle - Monzon vs Greb
Light middle - Hearns vs McCallum
Welter - SRL vs SRR
Light welter - Armstrong vs Whittaker
Light - Armstrong vs Duran

That's about as far as I can got without being REALLY sure I'm missing some important fighters. Not only would I love to see every one of those fights, I also think they're close to matching the best fighters every to contest those weights.

SamWise72 wrote:Two natural cruisers for the all time heavy title, and Czyz as one of the two best cruiserweights of all time? The thinking behind this is a mystery to me.

It's personal taste. They are the fights I'd like to see. I'm not picking the best.

SamWise72 wrote:My list, which will undoubtedly have holes in it, and will stop short of the lightest weights due to lack of knowledge.

Superheavy (if we're doing that) Lewis v V Klitschko
Heavy - Ali vs Holmes
Cruiser - Marciano vs Holyfield
Light Heavy - Moore vs Charles
Super Middle - Calzaghe vs Jones
Middle - Monzon vs Greb
Light middle - Hearns vs McCallum
Welter - SRL vs SRR
Light welter - Armstrong vs Whittaker
Light - Armstrong vs Duran

That's about as far as I can got without being REALLY sure I'm missing some important fighters. Not only would I love to see every one of those fights, I also think they're close to matching the best fighters every to contest those weights.

Marciano a top 2 Cruiserweight when he never even fought there?

And if Holyfield is a 'natural' Cruiserweight than so is Ali.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:My list, which will undoubtedly have holes in it, and will stop short of the lightest weights due to lack of knowledge.

Superheavy (if we're doing that) Lewis v V Klitschko
Heavy - Ali vs Holmes
Cruiser - Marciano vs Holyfield
Light Heavy - Moore vs Charles
Super Middle - Calzaghe vs Jones
Middle - Monzon vs Greb
Light middle - Hearns vs McCallum
Welter - SRL vs SRR
Light welter - Armstrong vs Whittaker
Light - Armstrong vs Duran

That's about as far as I can got without being REALLY sure I'm missing some important fighters. Not only would I love to see every one of those fights, I also think they're close to matching the best fighters every to contest those weights.

Marciano a top 2 Cruiserweight when he never even fought there?

And if Holyfield is a 'natural' Cruiserweight than so is Ali.

archie moore vs ezzard charles has already happened many times

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:My list, which will undoubtedly have holes in it, and will stop short of the lightest weights due to lack of knowledge.

Superheavy (if we're doing that) Lewis v V Klitschko
Heavy - Ali vs Holmes
Cruiser - Marciano vs Holyfield
Light Heavy - Moore vs Charles
Super Middle - Calzaghe vs Jones
Middle - Monzon vs Greb
Light middle - Hearns vs McCallum
Welter - SRL vs SRR
Light welter - Armstrong vs Whittaker
Light - Armstrong vs Duran

That's about as far as I can got without being REALLY sure I'm missing some important fighters. Not only would I love to see every one of those fights, I also think they're close to matching the best fighters every to contest those weights.

Marciano a top 2 Cruiserweight when he never even fought there?

And if Holyfield is a 'natural' Cruiserweight than so is Ali.

Ali only weighed under the old cruiser limit for one of his fights, and only under the new one for the first few. Marciano at his heaviest was 1/2 pound over the old limit, never over the new one. Holy needed roids and weight training to be a heavyweight.

I realise that Marciano never fought at cruiser, but if the division had existed, he may well have. I couldn't in all conscience put him in the heavyweight final, but if he had been a cruiserweight, I think he'd have been top two.

stevedoc wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

SamWise72 wrote:My list, which will undoubtedly have holes in it, and will stop short of the lightest weights due to lack of knowledge.

Superheavy (if we're doing that) Lewis v V Klitschko
Heavy - Ali vs Holmes
Cruiser - Marciano vs Holyfield
Light Heavy - Moore vs Charles
Super Middle - Calzaghe vs Jones
Middle - Monzon vs Greb
Light middle - Hearns vs McCallum
Welter - SRL vs SRR
Light welter - Armstrong vs Whittaker
Light - Armstrong vs Duran

That's about as far as I can got without being REALLY sure I'm missing some important fighters. Not only would I love to see every one of those fights, I also think they're close to matching the best fighters every to contest those weights.

Marciano a top 2 Cruiserweight when he never even fought there?

And if Holyfield is a 'natural' Cruiserweight than so is Ali.

archie moore vs ezzard charles has already happened many times

Doesn't prevent it being the real, all-time light heavyweight championship fight, in my view. Of course, Ali-Holmes happened too, but I'd rather see it with different ages :)