Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 00:48
Who would you have picked?
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Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 03:25
As great as Muhummad Ali was, I agree that Ali did not deserve the fighter of the year award in 1963. Winning a close decision and getting knocked down hard in another fight are not the things I would associate in the Fighter of the Year. I think a far better choice on the merits, but not really realistic because of all the bad press he received, would have been Sugar Ramos. He beat a great fighter in Davey Moore to win the featherweight title, defended against a quality contender in Rafiu King, and even traveled to London to win a nontitle bout against a London lightweight in Sammy McSpadden. I think Ramos's body of work surpasses Ali's.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 05:53
Maybe Ring Magazine simply didn't want to remind readers again of the Davey Moore tragedy.dnahar32 wrote:As great as Muhummad Ali was, I agree that Ali did not deserve the fighter of the year award in 1963. Winning a close decision and getting knocked down hard in another fight are not the things I would associate in the Fighter of the Year. I think a far better choice on the merits, but not really realistic because of all the bad press he received, would have been Sugar Ramos. He beat a great fighter in Davey Moore to win the featherweight title, defended against a quality contender in Rafiu King, and even traveled to London to win a nontitle bout against a London lightweight in Sammy McSpadden. I think Ramos's body of work surpasses Ali's.
Yes, I realize it was not the fault of Ramos, but the death might have had a bit to do with Ring looking elsewhere for fighter of the year.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 08:53
They always favored heavyweights...only middleweights came close.
see 1963 covers: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... vers:_1963
And their history in the 50's, 60's and 70's for FOY: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ring_ ... f_the_Year
see 1963 covers: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_R ... vers:_1963
And their history in the 50's, 60's and 70's for FOY: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ring_ ... f_the_Year
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 09:33
I'll settle for Sportsman of The Century, ergo:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 10:00
The Prophet Muhammad had nine wives.Il Duce wrote:Sportsman,,,,,,,,,Ha Ha HaThatOne wrote:I'll settle for Sportsman of The Century, ergo:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
He was also voted 'Man of the Year'...........4 Wives.......
Fraud of the Year...........Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki
And the list goes on and on and on...........
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 10:19
ThatOne wrote:I'll settle for Sportsman of The Century, ergo:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 11:28
Il Duce wrote:'Imposter of the Year'
Cassius Clay stole his 'act' from Gorgeous George.
That's a Fact Jack......... :>
Next........
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 11:47
In the case Sportsman was meant here, I don't believe he was meant in the sense that "He was the most gentlemanly, nice sportsman of his time", but rather the greatest athlete of his time or of the century...according to SI.Il Duce wrote:Sportsman,,,,,,,,,Ha Ha HaThatOne wrote:I'll settle for Sportsman of The Century, ergo:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
He was also voted 'Man of the Year'...........4 Wives......
Fraud of the Year...........Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki
And the list goes on and on and on...........
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 11:48
Yeah he said this himself.Il Duce wrote:'Imposter of the Year'
Cassius Clay stole his 'act' from Gorgeous George.
That's a Fact Jack......... :>
Next........
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 11:52
Inoki vs Ali was definitely dull, but that was more to do with Inoki than Ali. Ali just got a lot of money to go through with the bout not quite knowing what to expect. Inoki fought the whole thing, completely low to the ground so that Ali couldn't have landed a punch, and rarely did anything to wrestle Ali or gain an advantage. So it was just an all around boring event as nobody engaged.Il Duce wrote:Sportsman,,,,,,,,,Ha Ha HaThatOne wrote:I'll settle for Sportsman of The Century, ergo:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/featur ... 02/awards/
He was also voted 'Man of the Year'...........4 Wives......
Fraud of the Year...........Muhammad Ali vs. Antonio Inoki
And the list goes on and on and on...........
I would say the entire event was probably best left alone, but whatever it happened and is a pretty forgettable part of cross promotional history.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 12:05
You know, if I didn't know better Duce, I'd suspect that Ali, was not your #1 guy.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 13:36
I can't believe Il Manichino is crucifying Ali for performing in some meaningless exhibition. He's probably upset because he spent his SSDI check on the 'fight'.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 15:14
Those racist Japanese should have thrown the garbage at the clown who spent the entire match on the canvas.Il Duce wrote:Ali vs. Inoki
Was not an 'Exhibition', it was a highly promoted Event, where Muhammad Ali
took in $6,100,000 from his 'faithful' Sheep following fans, and the 'unsuspecting public'.
We all know how respectful the Japanese are.
Well those spectators at that event, threw garbage at Muhammad Ali as he left the Ring
and walked down the aisles.
The 'ultimate humiliation' getting garbage thrown on you.
Not 'booed', but actual 'trash', of half-eaten food and empty beverage containers.
Yes,,,,,,,,'The Greatest of All-Time'...........Yes,,,,,,,,'Con-Artist'
Hey Mr. That One,,,,,,,,,,,,Would you buy a car from Muhammad Ali......
You know you wouldn't.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 15:34
Out of interest what month of 1963 did they publish the "Fighter of the Year" or was it published in 1964?
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 15:50
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/File:64Feb.jpgControversial wrote:Out of interest what month of 1963 did they publish the "Fighter of the Year" or was it published in 1964?
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 16:40
Il Duce wrote:AHHHHHHHHH,
The 'Ali Syndrome' surfaces.
If you don't like his performance and boo him,,,,,,,,,,you're a racist bigot.
"If the shoe fits..."
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 19:15
Good artists borrow. Great artists steal.Il Duce wrote:'Imposter of the Year'
Cassius Clay stole his 'act' from Gorgeous George.
That's a Fact Jack......... :>
Next........
8)
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 23 Sep 2013, 19:23
"If you steal a little, they call you a thief. If you steal a lot, they call you a king"
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 24 Sep 2013, 10:12
And Ali gave him two good whuppings for his insolence...Il Duce wrote:December 28, 1963
Sonny Liston responds to Cassius Clay winning Ring Magazine's 1963 'Fighter of the Year'
"If I knew that by getting my ass knocked on the floor in England would have gotten
me that award, I just might have stayed in England when I was over there, and
got dropped by a Bloke.'
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 24 Sep 2013, 10:48
I don't think the boxing community wanted to see the GOAT make Liston cry "uncle" yet again.Il Duce wrote:Sonny Liston
October 1966
'Cassius knows what really happened in those two fights. Now we should have
a real fight, with no strings attached.'
'Really, look who he's fighting, a bunch of nobodies. Brian London, Henry Cooper
and now Karl Mildenberger. They aren't good enough to be my sparring partners.
And he's even trying to line up another bout with Floyd.'
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 25 Sep 2013, 10:54
Il Duce wrote:AHHHHHHHHH,
The 'Ali Syndrome' surfaces.
If you don't like his performance and boo him,,,,,,,,,,you're a racist bigot.
its more the 'Clay syndrome' in your case.
you just havent forgiven him for giving up that catchy old name, have you ?
let it go...you'll sleep better
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 25 Sep 2013, 11:04
Il Duce wrote:Sonny Liston
October 1966
'Cassius knows what really happened in those two fights. Now we should have
a real fight, with no strings attached.'
'Really, look who he's fighting, a bunch of nobodies. Brian London, Henry Cooper
and now Karl Mildenberger. They aren't good enough to be my sparring partners.
And he's even trying to line up another bout with Floyd.'
Another fake quote from Liston.
So now we are to believe that in October of 1966 Liston publicly admitted that his two fights with Ali had "strings attached" You and your lies are pathetic.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 25 Sep 2013, 12:33
give it a rest. just because you hate ali it's no reason to continually shove it down everyones throat, I imagine your one of them blokes that when your having a bad day you make everbodys else day bad to.
Re: Cassius Clay '1963 Fighter of the Year' 'Really ???'
Posted: 25 Sep 2013, 15:04
I'll bet he is as welladdi wrote:give it a rest. just because you hate ali it's no reason to continually shove it down everyones throat, I imagine your one of them blokes that when your having a bad day you make everbodys else day bad to.