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Posted: **02 Oct 2013, 20:22**

In his dreams maybe.

Ask the average person who's Muhammad Ali..."One of the best Heavyweight Champions of all time, a Boxing Legend"

Ask the average person who's Ingemar Johansson..."Never heard of him"

Posted: **02 Oct 2013, 23:24**

I'd like to say something here, but ID says I will need about 4 hours to do some studying, and then I can come up with 50 words.

So if you don't mind ID, Could you just go ahead and offer up my response for me?

Just something that alludes to your credibility or lack there of, depending on how accurate you feel your latest contributions have been.

Be fair, and if you've "taken poetic license' be sure to include that in my response.

However if it was dead on accurate, you can say something nice about yourself for me.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 01:35**

Ingemar Johannson was more popular than Muhammad Ali, I'll give you that.....

In Sweden.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 02:02**

Il Duce wrote:Bobby PSTD,..........Very Wrong,

INGO in 1965........

Ingemar Johansson,

"More people showed up to meet me at at the Miami International Airport {11,000} on January 19, 1961
then went to the Sonny Liston - Cassius Clay fight at the Convention Center in February 1964 {8200}."

Ingemar Johansson,

"I had more people show up to my sparring sessions, than Clay had at his Championship Fights. He is
far from popular. He has to make people hate him to draw a gate."

That Was A True Fact in 1965.

What a crock of sh*t. 11,000 people ain't going to see any fighter at a f*cking airport. There might've been 11,000 people at the airport that day, but I'm sure they were all doing things like...ya know boarding flights.

Of all the BS you've come up with so far concerning Ali, claiming Johansson was more popular than him is just outright stupid. Ali is one of the most popular fighters in the history of the sport. Johansson has nowhere near that level of fame.

This is just complete nonsense.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 02:13**

Il Duce wrote:G-Man,

53,164 in Sweden,,,,,,,,,,,,,June 1958

Cassius Clay couldn't draw that if he fought every night for a Month in 1965.

Lewiston, Maine................2400..............Couldn't even sell-out a Friggin' High School Hockey Rink.

The Band A-ha drew over 100,000 people at a concert in Norway. They're hardly one of the most popular bands of all time. They were just...Norwegian. Can you see where I'm going with this?

Ingemar drew a huge crowd in Sweden...well that's great.

Ali drew a huge crowd EVERYWHERE in the World. Even Third World Countries.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 08:17**

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Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 13:07**

Il Duce wrote:Citation,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sunday Night - September 14, 1958..............

Nya Ullevi Stadium - Gothenburg, Sweden

The 53,164 Swede's stormed the beautiful outdoor stadium, with another 15,000
attempting their best to enter to see the #1 Ranked 'unbeaten' Eddie Machen take
on their home-country Hero - Ingemar 'Ingo' Johansson.

Over 500,000 Swede's tried to get to tickets to this event, and it appeared that everyone
from this beautiful city of Gothenburg {Population; 410,000} situated on the Southwest
Coast of Sweden was either in the Nya Ullevi Stadium or outside around the perimeter of
the Stadium, listening to the events that developed inside.

The cool night temperature of 53* was the 'perfect setting' for this spectacular event.

That in no way supports your original post but you know that. And the GOAT would dispatch of Ingo more easily than he disposed of Brian London.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:03**

If you have accurately quoted then we can take it to heart that Ingo said some of these things.

Now, was what he said accurate? Well that's a horse of a different color. And a separate conversation I guess.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:15**

It's a little like saying Mark Fydrich was a bigger draw than Ozzie Smith because it was true in 1977.
But that wouldn't mean The Bird was more famous than the Wizard of Oz or even more fun to watch.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:18**

Il Duce wrote:Mr. G,

How Dare You Knock 'A-Ha',,,,,,,,,,,You Bastard.

Take On Me..........

Ingemar Johansson {July 1965}

"Cassius Clay can't draw flies to a garbage dump. 2500 people in Lewiston, Maine.
An utter joke."

I actually like A-Ha I'm simply saying they're not a band that would draw 100,000 people anywhere except their home country.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:31**

I dont have any problem believing that Johannson was a better draw in 1965 than Ali was. Johannson was doing big numbers against relatively weak competition in Europe. While Ali's first bout with Liston drew less than 9000 people and his second bout drew less than 3000. The second Patterson Johannson fight pulled in around 40,000. The third bout pulled in around 14,000. So within the context of that moment in time Johannson was probably correct.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:36**

klompton wrote:I dont have any problem believing that Johannson was a better draw in 1965 than Ali was. Johannson was doing big numbers against relatively weak competition in Europe. While Ali's first bout with Liston drew less than 9000 people and his second bout drew less than 3000. The second Patterson Johannson fight pulled in around 40,000. The third bout pulled in around 14,000. So within the context of that moment in time Johannson was probably correct.

I do, he wasn't even an active fighter anymore. His last fight was 1963

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:41**

Il Duce wrote:[/iMr. G,]

Don't ever go against 'a-Ha',

They drew a 'Record' of 195,000 at the Maracanda Stadium in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil in 1993.

The same place that told Muhammad Ali to take his 'Circus Act' somewhere else in 1980.

They didn't want that 'garbage' in their pristine Stadium.

195,000 in '93 huh? Damn. Good on them.

Still Ali was a bigger draw than Johansson.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 15:46**

gilgamesh wrote:
klompton wrote:I dont have any problem believing that Johannson was a better draw in 1965 than Ali was. Johannson was doing big numbers against relatively weak competition in Europe. While Ali's first bout with Liston drew less than 9000 people and his second bout drew less than 3000. The second Patterson Johannson fight pulled in around 40,000. The third bout pulled in around 14,000. So within the context of that moment in time Johannson was probably correct.
I do, he wasn't even an active fighter anymore. His last fight was 1963

yeah but there was still a lot of interest and curiousity in him. He had kept his name in the papers and magazines by teasing a comeback. A lot of times being away from the ring like that builds interest when the fighter comes back and generates a bigger gate than might have been possible when they left. When you look at the context, the fact that both Ali-Liston HW championships drew less than 12,000 people COMBINED then the bar isnt that high. So I can see that argument. By the end of the year though I dont think there is any argument that Ali was the bigger draw. In a bout that was horribly promoted He drew about the same amount against Chuvalo as Patterson-Johannson 3 did.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 16:01**

Il Duce wrote:Mr. G,

It's OK, you can go against Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali at least once in a while.

It won't hurt..............all you have to do is say 'a-Ha'

I don't mind going against him at all if there's a valid reason. He's not one of my favorite fighters. Not even close in fact.

I just don't like to let people run somebody down with inaccurate information without calling them on it. I'd take up for any fighter I felt was being misrepresented unfairly.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 16:30**

Il Duce wrote:"INGO HAMMERS CLAY INTO PIGEON"

Ingemar Johansson,

"I saw Clay get knocked out by Cody Jones with one left-hook. One-punch.
He's just a good fighter with fast hands."

"Muhammad Ali would ream Ingo worse than Ron Jeremy reamed Tamara Longley In "Caught From Behind 3."

That One

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 16:40**

ThatOne wrote:
Il Duce wrote:"INGO HAMMERS CLAY INTO PIGEON"

Ingemar Johansson,

"I saw Clay get knocked out by Cody Jones with one left-hook. One-punch.
He's just a good fighter with fast hands."

"Muhammad Ali would ream Ingo worse than Ron Jeremy reamed Tamara Longley In "Caught From Behind 3."

That One

Now I need to do some research...

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 18:04**

Il Duce wrote:Ron Jeremy...........................................................................................................................................................BOING'

The 'Hardest' Working Man in Show Business.

When I lived in Orlando my friend was a bellhop at the Ritz Carlton and I believe the JW Marriott... I always asked him what famous people he met and how they tipped.

One of the people whose luggage he carried was the HedgeHog. He didn't even know who it was until another bell hop pointed it out. He must had led a sheltered life.

Posted: **03 Oct 2013, 23:39**

Il Duce wrote:Ingemar 'INGO' Johansson

Discussing Champion - Cassius Clay, 'INGO' dismissed the 'Louisville Lip' as a
'second-rate draw' with the fans.

The former Champion said that Cassius was 'popular' in his own mind, but
not with the Boxing Fans.

Ingemar Johansson,

"Look at the bout at the Convention Center in Miami Beach. What did that fight
do,,,,,nothing. The place was nearly half-empty. The guy who bought the
rights for the 'Live Gate' lost about a 'Quarter-Million Dollars'."

Far be it from me to ask an obvious question...but what's your point?

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 01:56**

grevan wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Ingemar 'INGO' Johansson

Discussing Champion - Cassius Clay, 'INGO' dismissed the 'Louisville Lip' as a
'second-rate draw' with the fans.

The former Champion said that Cassius was 'popular' in his own mind, but
not with the Boxing Fans.

Ingemar Johansson,

"Look at the bout at the Convention Center in Miami Beach. What did that fight
do,,,,,nothing. The place was nearly half-empty. The guy who bought the
rights for the 'Live Gate' lost about a 'Quarter-Million Dollars'."
Far be it from me to ask an obvious question...but what's your point?

I think it's pretty obvious by now what his point is.

The name.

The racist posts.

The 'white better than black' allusions.

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 06:30**

Il Duce wrote:Ingemar 'INGO' Johansson

Discussing Champion - Cassius Clay, 'INGO' dismissed the 'Louisville Lip' as a
'second-rate draw' with the fans.

The former Champion said that Cassius was 'popular' in his own mind, but
not with the Boxing Fans.

Ingemar Johansson,

"Look at the bout at the Convention Center in Miami Beach. What did that fight
do,,,,,nothing. The place was nearly half-empty. The guy who bought the
rights for the 'Live Gate' lost about a 'Quarter-Million Dollars'."

and then time went on and muhammad ali became the
most popular person on the planet, drawing people like
flies when he put his head out on the street ... wherever
he went, whatever he did.

seems your rant is running out of gas ...

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 06:39**

Il Duce wrote:That Ingemar Johansson was a 'much bigger' Gate Draw in late-1963 as he was
retiring, than the #1 Heavyweight - Young' Cassius Clay.

No Knock on the Louisville Lip, just a general information thread.

ah. just a general information thread, just accidentally
blowing your big horn on how inferior muhammad ali
was. you know, finding criticism on his record is one thing,
finding a sneaky way to take away the drawing power
of muhammad ali, the personification of drawing
power and popularity ... that is quite something.

i have another idea for a general information thread:
"april 27th 1945 was a friday"

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 06:42**

Il Duce wrote:We're talking 1961 thru 1965,

When Cassius Clay was pulling in 2700 people in Lewiston, Maine......

At the time,,,,,,,,,,, Cassius Clay was a 'legend',,,,,,,,,,,,, in his own mind.

the question is why you want to talk about a completely
irrelevant factoid. you are clearly obsessed with the subject
of diminishing ali. you seem to have the mindset of a
stalker. seriously, you really seem to have issues; wasting
your time and finger tissue trying to prove something no one
is even remotely interested in.

get a life.

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 07:00**

Il Duce wrote:Hey 'Man',

You seem to be very interested in this thread

actually no.

Posted: **04 Oct 2013, 08:22**

Il Duce wrote:
man wrote:
Il Duce wrote:Hey 'Man',

You seem to be very interested in this thread
actually no.

Actually Yes,

5 Posts in 12 Hours would say different.........You really enjoy this thread..........

Lots of people slow down to see a train wreck. That doesn't mean they enjoy seeing it.

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