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Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 11:29
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Heavyweight Champion - Cassius Clay opened up with the first barbs, as he announced
that he was fighting 'Uncle Tom' Patterson.
One would ask why the 'young' Champion would show that kind of disrespect to a 'Two-Time'
former Heavyweight Champion, who has exhibited Good Sportsmanship in all his bouts.
The 'lippy' Clay said that as Heavyweight Champion, he is the 'King of the Words' as well,
and he can label anyone as he wishes. Patterson is 'Uncle Tom', and that will be
his new name.
Though Floyd Patterson is no longer the dynamic fighter that he once was, the 30+ year-old
former 'Two-Time' Champion is still a quality Heavyweight.
Asked for a response, Floyd Patterson could only shrug his shoulders and shake his head.
A: Part of the deal was willing participation on both sides to build up the gate and the closed-circuit viewing audience. Floyd related shortly after the fight that the famous confrontation at Patterson's training camp at which Ali showed up with a bag of carrots and called Patterson "The Rabbit" was indeed a publicity stunt, something that Ali felt he had to do. About the name thing: Patterson told W.C. Heinz that it was difficult for him to pronounce the word Muhammad, and that's why he continued to call Ali “Cassius.” Maybe that's true. Remember, Floyd had difficulty as a child learning to speak. Perhaps some words did cause him problems. Maybe it was because it was a "Muslim" word.
Shortly after the fight, Patterson asked Ali if it was all right if he called him Cassius. Ali smiled and said, "Anytime, Floyd." Seven years later, when they fought for the second time, Ali said something to the effect that, yes, Patterson still called him Cassius and Floyd was the only person he allowed to do so.
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Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 11:53
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:I don't understand the statement........'allowed to'.
What does that mean exactly.......
You mean that you needed permission to call him 'Cassius Clay'.
Would you call Kirk Douglas Issur? Would you call Tony Curtis Bernard? Would you call Kareem Abdul Jabbar Lew?
See where I'm going with this?
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 11:59
by SamWise72
Il Duce wrote:I don't understand the statement........'allowed to'.
What does that mean exactly.......
You mean that you needed permission to call him 'Cassius Clay'.
Come on. If other people called him Cassius, he would pull them up on it, and tell them to call him Muhammad. If Floyd called him Cassius, he just let it pass. Is that complicated to understand?
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 12:30
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
I would love to learn more about this incident. Can you please direct me to where I can find more information on this.
Thank you in advance.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 13:19
by BoxBuzz
Every now and again I get the impression that Ol' Duce has a dog in this race.
A point he'd like to make. An impression he would like to leave us with.
His own personal brand of Intolerance? Maybe.
Critical boxing skill assessment? Well perhaps. We will all just have to wait and see I guess.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 13:24
by gilgamesh
Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
It's well known that Ali talked a lot of smack about all of his opponents before their bouts to build up public interest in the fights. The fact that he allowed Patterson to call him Cassius when he wouldn't allow anyone else to do it says all I need to know about whether or not he had respect for Patterson. He obviously did.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 14:31
by gilgamesh
Il Duce wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:Every now and again I get the impression that Ol' Duce has a dog in this race.
A point he'd like to make. An impression he would like to leave us with.
His own personal brand of Intolerance? Maybe.
Critical boxing skill assessment? Well perhaps. We will all just have to wait and see I guess.
Typical Box Buzz response,
4-Hours to come wth 4-Lines, and then he goes off line and runs...........Wee Wee All The Way Home
Cassius Clay and 'respect' should never be mentioned in the same sentence.
"After I beat that little, old, dumb pork chop eater, he can go eat slime from the sea,"
Cassius Clay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all class.
It's funny you give Ali/Clay so much sh*t for being disrespectful and yet here you are being disrespectful as all hell to him on a daily basis.
Kinda Ironic
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 14:59
by Giancarlo
ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
I would love to learn more about this incident. Can you please direct me to where I can find more information on this.
Thank you in advance.
Me too.
It sounds like it was made up by a lunatic.
Floyd in a photo dressed as 'Uncle Tom'?
How does that work? Did Floyd pose for this supposed photo? Did the 'Clay industry' kidnap him and force him to dress up as 'Uncle Tom'. Maybe they photoshopped it on Bundini's laptop...
Actually what does 'Uncle Tom' usually wear?
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 15:22
by gilgamesh
Giancarlo wrote:ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
I would love to learn more about this incident. Can you please direct me to where I can find more information on this.
Thank you in advance.
Me too.
It sounds like it was made up by a lunatic.
Floyd in a photo dressed as 'Uncle Tom'?
How does that work? Did Floyd pose for this supposed photo? Did the 'Clay industry' kidnap him and force him to dress up as 'Uncle Tom'. Maybe they photoshopped it on Bundini's laptop...
Actually what does 'Uncle Tom' usually wear?
Something like that I would think
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 16:39
by ThatOne
Giancarlo wrote:ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
I would love to learn more about this incident. Can you please direct me to where I can find more information on this.
Thank you in advance.
Me too.
It sounds like it was made up by a lunatic.
Floyd in a photo dressed as 'Uncle Tom'?
How does that work? Did Floyd pose for this supposed photo? Did the 'Clay industry' kidnap him and force him to dress up as 'Uncle Tom'. Maybe they photoshopped it on Bundini's laptop...
Actually what does 'Uncle Tom' usually wear?
I believe the photos exist...in the abscesses of Il Liberace's mind!
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 16:48
by ThatOne
Il Duce wrote:Il Duce wrote:Mr. That One,
I can hear you now with all your caterwauling..........
Wearing your T-Shirt with a picture of Floyd Patterson eating a 'Pork Chop'.
Cassius Clay and his Band of Clowns, with by 'Cap'n Sam Saxon drove over to the
Thunderbird Hotel and Casino {where Floyd Patterson has set up his Training Camp}
and hung out in the Parking Lot with 'Pork Chop's tied around their necks.
The Assistant Manager of the Thunderibrd Hotel - Lee Alderson came out to the
Parking Lot and politely asked Cassius Clay and his Crew of Juveniles to either
behave like gentleman or leave.
Cassius immediately threw out a slew of outrageous remarks, calling the Thunderbird
Hotel 'a place for ignorant animals who don't like us N*****S'.
Cassius added, 'you only like Floyd Patterson because he's an Uncle Tom, otherwise
he'd being stay down the block.'
Lee Alderson told the Champion, 'that those remarks were un-called for, and that
the Thunderbird Hotel welcomes everyone.'
Cassius and his Group then dumped a box of 'Pork Chop's at the front entrance
of the Thunderbird Hotel with the name 'Deliver to Floyd Patterson' {a.k.a Uncle Tom}.
Cassisus Clay {23 years old and 10 months} going on..............'Age Seven'.
True Story.....
I believe it happened...in the abscesses of your mind while you were besodden by poppers to loosen you up for your next date.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 17:47
by gilgamesh
I heard a story once that he also took candy from a baby, pushed an old lady down a flight of stairs, and bought a child a toy just to smash it in front of him and then laugh.
I can't verify this of course, but it's a True Story.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 18:25
by gilgamesh
So I guess you thought my comment was serious.
I don't know who Sonji Roi is.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 18:32
by ThatOne
gilgamesh wrote: So I guess you thought my comment was serious.
I don't know who Sonji Roi is.
The GOAT's first wife.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 18:47
by gilgamesh
ThatOne wrote:gilgamesh wrote: So I guess you thought my comment was serious.
I don't know who Sonji Roi is.
The GOAT's first wife.
Oh...well it's logical that his ex-wife wouldn't have much nice to say about him. It's rare that anybody's ex has anything good to say about them.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 21:45
by BoxBuzz
And now for a true story:
But it's one everyone has heard. Some punks roughed up young Cassius and stole his bicycle.
If this had not happened, perhaps Ol' Duce would have to pursue less interesting endeavors.
It was the reason young Clay decided he ought to learn some sort of self defense art.
The rest is...well...Ol' Duce's misery. Or...History if you prefer.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 23:24
by BoxBuzz
Seems like just the sort of thing you would like to write about.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 04 Oct 2013, 23:43
by BoxBuzz
Writing can be relaxing. Spinning a good yarn exercises the imagination and exorcises the gremlins.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 00:55
by Giancarlo
Giancarlo wrote:ThatOne wrote:Il Duce wrote:No,
Mainly because Cassius was walking around Las Vegas, at the 'Stardust Hotel'
in November 1965 handing out photo's of Floyd Patterson dressed up as 'Uncle Tom'.
Cassius had his Training Camp set up at the 'Stardust Hotel', and he really seemed to enjoy
ridiculing Floyd, well after the Convention Center tickets were already 'sold-out'.
I would love to learn more about this incident. Can you please direct me to where I can find more information on this.
Thank you in advance.
Me too.
It sounds like it was made up by a lunatic.
Floyd in a photo dressed as 'Uncle Tom'?
How does that work? Did Floyd pose for this supposed photo? Did the 'Clay industry' kidnap him and force him to dress up as 'Uncle Tom'. Maybe they photoshopped it on Bundini's laptop...
Actually what does 'Uncle Tom' usually wear?
Still waiting Dunce.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 01:08
by Giancarlo
Il Duce wrote:True Story
Back in Las Vegas in November 1965,
After 'Cassius the Clown' pulled that 'cheap stunt' on Floyd Patterson and his Wife,
the loudmouth thought that he was Don Rickles {white Comedian}.
He was chirping about how he was so 'witty-and-clever', and he acted like he was a real
tough guy, when he was around his 'Band of Jokers'.
Well, one of Floyd's sparring partners {'King' Jimmy Fletcher} got so pissed off of what
happened to Floyd, that he went over to the Stardust Hotel later than night, and waited
while he 'stalked' Cassius.
'King Jimmy' made his move, when Cassius went to the elevator by himself.
As Cassius got in, and the door started to close, 'King Jimmy' put his hand across the
door-bar and stopped it from closing.
He got in the Elevator, and said, "OK you little Mother****er, you're ass is mine now."
'King Jimmy' grabbed Cassius by his neck and lifted him up the in the air with his feet
dangling, as Cassius started 'caterwauling'.
Took 4 Security Guards to pry 'King Jimmy's hands from around Cassius' neck.
Awesome story, bro.
Any of it true?
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 03:07
by gilgamesh
Giancarlo wrote:Il Duce wrote:True Story
Back in Las Vegas in November 1965,
After 'Cassius the Clown' pulled that 'cheap stunt' on Floyd Patterson and his Wife,
the loudmouth thought that he was Don Rickles {white Comedian}.
He was chirping about how he was so 'witty-and-clever', and he acted like he was a real
tough guy, when he was around his 'Band of Jokers'.
Well, one of Floyd's sparring partners {'King' Jimmy Fletcher} got so pissed off of what
happened to Floyd, that he went over to the Stardust Hotel later than night, and waited
while he 'stalked' Cassius.
'King Jimmy' made his move, when Cassius went to the elevator by himself.
As Cassius got in, and the door started to close, 'King Jimmy' put his hand across the
door-bar and stopped it from closing.
He got in the Elevator, and said, "OK you little Mother****er, you're ass is mine now."
'King Jimmy' grabbed Cassius by his neck and lifted him up the in the air with his feet
dangling, as Cassius started 'caterwauling'.
Took 4 Security Guards to pry 'King Jimmy's hands from around Cassius' neck.
Awesome story, bro.
Any of it true?
Of course not. It's Il Duce and it's about Ali. He makes up BS about him every day. That's his life.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 03:11
by Giancarlo
gilgamesh wrote:Giancarlo wrote:Il Duce wrote:True Story
Back in Las Vegas in November 1965,
After 'Cassius the Clown' pulled that 'cheap stunt' on Floyd Patterson and his Wife,
the loudmouth thought that he was Don Rickles {white Comedian}.
He was chirping about how he was so 'witty-and-clever', and he acted like he was a real
tough guy, when he was around his 'Band of Jokers'.
Well, one of Floyd's sparring partners {'King' Jimmy Fletcher} got so pissed off of what
happened to Floyd, that he went over to the Stardust Hotel later than night, and waited
while he 'stalked' Cassius.
'King Jimmy' made his move, when Cassius went to the elevator by himself.
As Cassius got in, and the door started to close, 'King Jimmy' put his hand across the
door-bar and stopped it from closing.
He got in the Elevator, and said, "OK you little Mother****er, you're ass is mine now."
'King Jimmy' grabbed Cassius by his neck and lifted him up the in the air with his feet
dangling, as Cassius started 'caterwauling'.
Took 4 Security Guards to pry 'King Jimmy's hands from around Cassius' neck.
Awesome story, bro.
Any of it true?
Of course not. It's Il Duce and it's about Ali. He makes up BS about him every day. That's his life.
I was wondering how the 4 security guards magically appeared in the lift.
Then I remembered it was all total bullsh1t.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 03:12
by gilgamesh
Seriously I don't know what his problem is with him. Maybe Ali f*cked his Mom or something, but he truly hates him.
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 03:15
by Giancarlo
Il Duce wrote:
'King' Jimmy Fletcher, a 23 year-old Knockout-Artist. A big guy at 6' 1 1/2"
and 215 lbs. A right-hand like a pile-driver. Had a bunch of fights up in Alaska
that were un-recorded, and had a record of something like 21-4-3 {19 KO's}.
The 'hardest hitting' sparring partner in Las Vegas and Los Angeles at the time.
Style similar to Ron Lyle.
Nearly squeezed Cassius's head off his neck..........
Were you fully erect while making that nonsense up?
Re: Cassius Clay, "I'm Fighting Uncle Tom Patterson'
Posted: 05 Oct 2013, 03:29
by p4p1
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