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Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Julio Cesar Chavez
Shane Mosley
Manny Pacquiao

IMHO, he whups em all...

edited Trinidad to Chavez

Julio Cesar Trinidad?Who is it?

Vladimir5555 wrote:Julio Cesar Trinidad?Who is it?

A hybrid

I think Sugar Ray beats everyone but this Julio Cesar Trinidad guy.

Must be an amazing hybrid clone of the original JC Chavez and Tito Trinidad.
Even Leonard would come out second best to that combination.

Head Felix,Body Julio Cesar))).

SRR beat all them by decision

Leonard beats all of them, I think Mosley would give him the toughest time.

Mosley was a tremendous athlete. He damn sure wouldn't get stopped.

There is only one natural welter on this list. There's only one welter better than Ray, and no lightweights (including Duran, when Ray doesn't fight his fight). Leonard Whittaker would be interesting though I can't see how Pea keeps up with the workrate.

SamWise72 wrote:and no lightweights (including Duran, when Ray doesn't fight his fight). Leonard Whittaker would be interesting though I can't see how Pea keeps up with the workrate.

Nile4000 wrote: I think Mosely was a bit of a pretender, Oscar would probably be the biggest threat to Ray, but Leonard beats all of them except Oscar by stoppage.

DLH and SRL were supposed to fight but at that point SRL was way past it and we would have learned nothing from that fight other than SRL didn't know when to quit.

Leonard beats them all. I think he probably stops Pacquiao, and possibly Tito.

Possibly Chavez as well though that's a bit more of a stretch to me, though he'd certainly win it comfortably.

Oscar gives him the best fight, but still loses clearly.

gilgamesh wrote:Leonard beats them all. I think he probably stops Pacquiao, and possibly Tito.

Possibly Chavez as well though that's a bit more of a stretch to me, though he'd certainly win it comfortably.

Oscar gives him the best fight, but still loses clearly.

DLH is clearly a loss on points. Prime DLH was never stopped except by BHop's vicious liver punch.

I'm not sure but I think DLH was a candidate to fight Leonard at the time he got embarrassed by Camacho. DLH would have embarrased him too...He was shot...

ThatOne wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Leonard beats them all. I think he probably stops Pacquiao, and possibly Tito.

Possibly Chavez as well though that's a bit more of a stretch to me, though he'd certainly win it comfortably.

Oscar gives him the best fight, but still loses clearly.

DLH is clearly a loss on points. Prime DLH was never stopped except by BHop's vicious liver punch.

I'm not sure but I think DLH was a candidate to fight Leonard at the time he got embarrassed by Camacho. DLH would have embarrased him too...He was shot...

I think the DLH and Mosley fights definitely go the distance. I'd pick Chavez to last the distance too, but it's not a sure thing.

I'd pick Leonard to stop Pac and Tito.

He wouldn't stop Tito, that fight would end up dull as hell. Ray was too smart to engage with Trinidad when he could just use his legs.

If he could stop the even more dangerous Hearns, then Leonard could also put away Trinidad.

SenorPipino wrote:If he could stop the even more dangerous Hearns, then Leonard could also put away Trinidad.

That's what I was thinking.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Mosley was a tremendous athlete. He damn sure wouldn't get stopped.

This is Ray Leonard we are talking about here.Sugar Shane would find out real quick who the real Sugar is.He is out of his element with Ray Leonard, who had tremendous killer instinct, and wouldn't have lost to Vernon Forrest.

SenorPipino wrote:If he could stop the even more dangerous Hearns, then Leonard could also put away Trinidad.

I didn't say he couldn't, I said he wouldn't. He had no choice against Hearns because Tommy was the superior boxer. Against Trinidad Ray wouldn't have to engage. Stopping Tito would mean taking a good bit of unnecessary punishment. He wouldn't do that.

Nile4000 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Mosley was a tremendous athlete. He damn sure wouldn't get stopped.

This is Ray Leonard we are talking about here.Sugar Shane would find out real quick who the real Sugar is.He is out of his element with Ray Leonard, who had tremendous killer instinct, and wouldn't have lost to Vernon Forrest.

Shane's chin is above reproach. I wouldn't pick anyone to stop him. Ray would be more likely to stop Oscar.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:If he could stop the even more dangerous Hearns, then Leonard could also put away Trinidad.

I didn't say he couldn't, I said he wouldn't. He had no choice against Hearns because Tommy was the superior boxer. Against Trinidad Ray wouldn't have to engage. Stopping Tito would mean taking a good bit of unnecessary punishment. He wouldn't do that.

Wouldn't, shouldn't, couldn't.

It boils down to Ray having far too much speed for Trinidad (both foot and hand).
Sure, he'd be cautious but eventually he would catch Tito with something big and go for the kill.
Ray had problems with Hearns height, reach, speed and power. But when he found the openings he quickly took it to Tommy. He didn't fear Hearns but he respected him.
He would respect Tito's power too, but when the opportunity arose, he would have taken it to Trinidad too.
And with Leonard's advantages in all areas with the possible exception of power (and Ray was certainly no slouch when it came to power) he would have stopped the Puerto Rican.

Leonard was no ODLH.

SenorPipino wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:If he could stop the even more dangerous Hearns, then Leonard could also put away Trinidad.

I didn't say he couldn't, I said he wouldn't. He had no choice against Hearns because Tommy was the superior boxer. Against Trinidad Ray wouldn't have to engage. Stopping Tito would mean taking a good bit of unnecessary punishment. He wouldn't do that.

Wouldn't, shouldn't, couldn't.

It boils down to Ray having far too much speed for Trinidad (both foot and hand).
Sure, he'd be cautious but eventually he would catch Tito with something big and go for the kill.
Ray had problems with Hearns height, reach, speed and power. But when he found the openings he quickly took it to Tommy. He didn't fear Hearns but he respected him.
He would respect Tito's power too, but when the opportunity arose, he would have taken it to Trinidad too.
And with Leonard's advantages in all areas with the possible exception of power (and Ray was certainly no slouch when it came to power) he would have stopped the Puerto Rican.

Leonard was no ODLH.

He'd box circles around him, it just would go the distance. Leonard wasn't a great defensive fighter, but he had excellent legs and he wasn't shy about using them. Scared? LOL, there is a difference between scared and smart.

Those guys are not in the great Sugar Ray Leonard's class.