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1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Al
3. Harry Greb
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Benny Leonard
9. Sam Langford
10. Jack Johnson
11. Jack Dempsey
12. Joe Gans
13. Sugar Ray Leonard
14. Gene Tunney
15. Bob Fitzsimmons
16. Jimmy Wilde
17. Ezzard Charles
18. Mickey Walker
19. Archie Moore
20. Stanley Ketchel
21. George Foreman
22. Tony Canzoneri
23. Barney Ross
24. Jimmy McLarnin
25. Julio Cesar Chavez
26. Marcel Cerdan
27. Rocky Marciano
28. Joe Frazier
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Carlos Monzon
33. Jose Napoles
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Ruben Olivares
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Pernell Whitaker
44. Roy Jones Jr.
45. Bernard Hopkins
46. Mike Tyson
47. Barbados Joe Walcott
48. George Dixon
49. Mike Spinks
50. Salvador Sanchez

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Too much Heavyweight love, I think Muhammad & Joe are a bit high but not ridiculously.

Johnson, Dempsey & Marciano are way too high, as are Wilde & Chavez. Ezzard Charles is way too low. Other than that it isn't bad.

Edit: Oops, just saw Tyson. That's absurd.

Double Edit: No Emile Griffith?

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Too much Heavyweight love, I think Muhammad & Joe are a bit high but not ridiculously.

Johnson, Dempsey & Marciano are way too high, as is Chavez. Ezzard Charles is way too low. Other than that it isn't bad.

I think he reworked ESPN's list because he "discovered" inconsistencies.

ThatOne wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Too much Heavyweight love, I think Muhammad & Joe are a bit high but not ridiculously.

Johnson, Dempsey & Marciano are way too high, as is Chavez. Ezzard Charles is way too low. Other than that it isn't bad.

I think he reworked ESPN's list because he "discovered" inconsistencies.

He needs someone to rework his.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Too much Heavyweight love, I think Muhammad & Joe are a bit high but not ridiculously.

Johnson, Dempsey & Marciano are way too high, as are Wilde & Chavez. Ezzard Charles is way too low. Other than that it isn't bad.

Edit: Oops, just saw Tyson. That's absurd.

Double Edit: No Emile Griffith?

I use the same criteria to rate boxers, basketball players, football players, and baseball players:

Peak value
Career value
How they would perform if you removed them from their era and placed them in another era
And how they would perform against one another

To be fair, it's very difficult. I did one several years ago and it would be totally different now. My #1 has changed and those guys haven't fought in my lifetime. You never stop learning. The only way imo is to have tiers. That might mean #26 is no different than #47, but #47 is clearly over #48.

There are several guys well out of their tiers.

ThatOne wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Too much Heavyweight love, I think Muhammad & Joe are a bit high but not ridiculously.

Johnson, Dempsey & Marciano are way too high, as are Wilde & Chavez. Ezzard Charles is way too low. Other than that it isn't bad.

Edit: Oops, just saw Tyson. That's absurd.

Double Edit: No Emile Griffith?

I use the same criteria to rate boxers, basketball players, football players, and baseball players:

Peak value
Career value
How they would perform if you removed them from their era and placed them in another era
And how they would perform against one another

I find that incredibly faulty. I'm wrong constantly on who I think will win current fights, using that methodology to rate different eras just doesn't work for me unless it's a case of resumes that are just too close to call. That's obviously going to hinge on personal judgment and that's what I mean by tiers.

I don't fault fighters for losses past their peak, but I won't elevate them for domination over lesser fighters because I think they could have done the same to a caliber of fighter that they didn't face. Mike is highly iffy for the top 100 based on what I look at. I think I had him 90 something last time, but I had some omissions I'll need to fix next time too.

Thats a list of a lot of great champs.
However there were some great fighters who never won a belt like oh say,...Charley Burley.
He should be on any list of greats.