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That list is so old it precedes manned space flights and mass production of color televisions.

:P :P :P

I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

Il Duce wrote:

ThatOne wrote:That list is so old it precedes manned space flights and mass production of color televisions.

:P :P :P

And. That's It.

No witty phrases. Your 'attack' is about as weak as a Muhammad Ali left-jab on October 2, 1980...

'NON-EXISTENT'

And you hold up a man who pimped out his wife, allegedly threw a fight, sold a magic elixir with arsenic in it, and dodged a war declared by Congress as a paragon of virtue...

You probably hold out Charlie manson as a role model.

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

I guess you never got hit by a Jack Dempsey punch.........

I'm sure you would rather get hit by Muhammad Ali than James J. Jeffries ............me too.

Ms. Dempsey would be an authority on that.

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

I guess you never got hit by a Jack Dempsey punch.........

I'm sure you would rather get hit by Muhammad Ali than James J. Jeffries ............me too.

There's more to being a great fighter than being a knockout puncher. I feel like Muhammad Ali would outbox Jack Dempsey and Jim Jeffries with relative ease.

I don't know if he stops either man, but I can't see them winning more than 4 or 5 rounds between the two of them.

gilgamesh wrote:

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

I guess you never got hit by a Jack Dempsey punch.........

I'm sure you would rather get hit by Muhammad Ali than James J. Jeffries ............me too.

There's more to being a great fighter than being a knockout puncher. I feel like Muhammad Ali would outbox Jack Dempsey and Jim Jeffries with relative ease.

I don't know if he stops either man, but I can't see them winning more than 4 or 5 rounds between the two of them.

If having a great punch was the be all and end all Dempsey wouldn't have lost nineteen of twenty rounds to Gene Tunney.

gilgamesh wrote:I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

That quote has a long history on this board:

http://boxrec.com/forum/search.php?keyw ... mit=Search

Funny, Gene Tunney spent ACTUAL time in the trenches both literally and figuratively and he kicked the living shit out of Jack Dempsey. He's also the fighter that most closely resembled Ali in style that Dempsey fought... and he was smaller in every measurement, slower, and fought FAR less heavyweights than Ali even in an era when heavyweights were smaller than in Ali's.

raylawpc wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I'll just say I wouldn't have any of those guys in my Top 3...only 2 of them in my Top 10.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

What's foolish about stating where I rank these guys? Several Boxing experts don't have any of these 3 men in their Top 3 all time Heavyweights.

Rocky and Dempsey are both Top 10 in my view, but I feel Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes are clearly better fighters than all 3 of these guys.

Oh yeah I missed the Top draw part. I don't doubt that's accurate.

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Oh yeah I missed the Top draw part. I don't doubt that's accurate.

Mr G,

I assumed that you saw the 'first post'. No Harm, No Foul.

Facts

If James J. Jeffries fought Jack Johnson again, they would have had to hold it in a 100,000
seat 'temporary' built stadium.

If Jack Dempsey fought Gene Tunney a 'third time', it would have been the most attended
bout in Boxing History,,,,,,possibly with 200,000 attending.

If Rocky Marciano came back to fight Floyd Patterson or Ingemar Johansson {in 1959},
that bout would have tipped over the Earth.

I'm sure a Marciano comeback would've definitely been huge.

Il Duce wrote:

klompton wrote:Funny, Gene Tunney spent ACTUAL time in the trenches both literally and figuratively and he kicked the living poo out of Jack Dempsey. He's also the fighter that most closely resembled Ali in style that Dempsey fought... and he was smaller in every measurement, slower, and fought FAR less heavyweights than Ali even in an era when heavyweights were smaller than in Ali's.

What are you trying to imply........

Dempsey wasn't half the man the learned and gentlemanly Marine was:




I would add he also raised a United States senator:

ThatOne wrote:

Dempsey wasn't half the man the learned and gentlemanly Marine was:




I would add he also raised a United States senator:

Bloodsuckers

HomicideHenry wrote:

ThatOne wrote:

Dempsey wasn't half the man the learned and gentlemanly Marine was:




I would add he also raised a United States senator:

Bloodsuckers

You know I really like Dempsey...I recently finished Roger Kahn's biography of him...I just said some of that stuff to get under Il Bugiardo's skin. I will believe all of the good stuff about him and none of the bad.

Was Tunney one of the most unlikely boxing champions?

He could have been a senator like his son.


Most of the press wasn't taken with him because he would have rather read a book than talk to them.

Il Duce wrote:General Rule

James J. Jeffries was 'too big' for little Rocky Marciano.

Would have eventually worn him down, and swept the last 5-Rounds to win a 15-Round Decision.

Rocky hits James with everything, busting him up through the first 7-Rounds, but the 'strongest'
Heavyweight ever would out-muscle Rocky over the second-half of the bout, and toss him around
like a 'bale-of-hay'.

Announced Fight Attendance............. 217,302 {100x Greater than Liston vs. Clay II}

So you know the exact attendance of a fight that never took place

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Il Duce wrote:General Rule

James J. Jeffries was 'too big' for little Rocky Marciano.

Would have eventually worn him down, and swept the last 5-Rounds to win a 15-Round Decision.

Rocky hits James with everything, busting him up through the first 7-Rounds, but the 'strongest'
Heavyweight ever would out-muscle Rocky over the second-half of the bout, and toss him around
like a 'bale-of-hay'.

Announced Fight Attendance............. 217,302 {100x Greater than Liston vs. Clay II}

So you know the exact attendance of a fight that never took place

I know there is a Planet called 'Mars', but I've never been there.

So Il Duce's argument. There is a Mars...therefore Marciano vs Jeffires would've drawn exactly 217,302 people.

Rock Solid logic

I know your game now Il Duce. You keep talking until you dig yourself into a hole, and rather than trying to climb out of that hole...you just ignore the fact that you're in a hole at all and start talking about something else.

Weak.

I still read your posts, but your own bias' make your boxing knowledge seem lesser than it is. I do believe you know your fair share of Boxing history and so forth, but you can't let your bias against one fighter go long enough to be able to show this knowledge that you have.