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Chris Byrd
David Haye
Michael Spinks
Jimmy Young

I'd love to see some of the answers here. I've always felt Ellis was hard to get a reading on.

A genuine enigma to my way of thinking.

I think Eliis would probably beat all of those guys except maybe Michael Spinks.

I'd be interested to see how he fared against any of the 4 though.

He beats them all save Young.

dempseyfire wrote:He beats them all save Young.

Not bad for a fella who lost to the Hurricane at middleweight.

I would put him in the second tier of near greats.

Il Duce wrote:Jimmy Ellis

* Draws with Rudi Lubbers.
* KO 4 over Jean-Pierre Coopman
* KO 6 over Jurgen Blin

That's nice, how about answering the question instead of inventing your own

Il Duce wrote:Jimmy Ellis

* Draws with Rudi Lubbers.
* KO 4 over Jean-Pierre Coopman
* KO 6 over Jurgen Blin

The boxer who beat Floyd Patterson, Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo, and Oscar Bonavena in't losing to a European club fighter!


And didn't we agree you would only ruin your own threads and spare the rest of the members of boxrec from reading your inanities unless they so desired.

ThatOne wrote:

Il Duce wrote:Jimmy Ellis

* Draws with Rudi Lubbers.
* KO 4 over Jean-Pierre Coopman
* KO 6 over Jurgen Blin

The boxer who beat Floyd Patterson, Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo, and Oscar Bonavena in't losing to a European club fighter!


And didn't we agree you would only ruin your own threads and spare the rest of the members of boxrec from reading your inanities unless they so desired.

I would add Leotis Martin too. Leotis Martin was a decent fighter as well. He knocked out Sonny Liston in his final bout.

Jimmy Ellis definitely would've beaten Lubbers clearly.

So how do you think he does against Haye, Byrd, Jimmy Young or Michael Spinks.

That's the question Il Duce.

The two Jimmys are interesting fights... Young doesn't hit nearly hard enough to get Ellis' attention.

Il Duce wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:So how do you think he does against Haye, Byrd, Jimmy Young or Michael Spinks.

That's the question Il Duce.

Before 'March 1970'..............'Decision Win - Decision Win - Decision Win - Decision Win'

That's about what I would expect too. The best bet of beating him was Spinks in my view.

I wouldn't be shocked to see him stop David Haye.

Il Duce wrote:Jimmy Ellis

Jimmy's 'KO 1' over Johnny Persol at Madison Square Garden {March 22, 1967}

'Explosion City'

Fastest hands ever for a Heavyweight, especially in the '1st-Round'.

That knockout of Persol was a real game changer for Ellis and Persol. It got Ellis in the WBA tournament.

Persol was on a real hot streak coming into that fight but Ellis overwhelmed him.

ThatOne wrote:The two Jimmys are interesting fights... Young doesn't hit nearly hard enough to get Ellis' attention.

Hitting hard wasn't Jimmy Young's game though. He was a frustrating, slippery, defensive slickster. Like Chris Byrd.

gilgamesh wrote:

ThatOne wrote:The two Jimmys are interesting fights... Young doesn't hit nearly hard enough to get Ellis' attention.

Hitting hard wasn't Jimmy Young's game though. He was a frustrating, slippery, defensive slickster. Like Chris Byrd.

I know...But Ellis was slick too...That's what makes it a fight...

ThatOne wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

ThatOne wrote:The two Jimmys are interesting fights... Young doesn't hit nearly hard enough to get Ellis' attention.

Hitting hard wasn't Jimmy Young's game though. He was a frustrating, slippery, defensive slickster. Like Chris Byrd.

I know...But Ellis was slick too...That's what makes it a fight...

He was pretty slick, he was a bit of a different type of slick though using his legs more. Ellis always struck me as a lesser version of Ali. He had a similar fighting style, he just wasn't as good.

Nor as big...Ali was a very large man...

ThatOne wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:He beats them all save Young.

Not bad for a fella who lost to the Hurricane at middleweight.

I would put him in the second tier of near greats.

Considering he was skin and bones as a middleweight and it was only his 17th fight, I'd say Jimmy did pretty well.

Whoever managed him in his middleweight years sucked; Holly Mims in your 6th fight? Henry Hank in his 13th fight? George Benton a few fights after he fought Carter . . .
And he was never stopped by any of them. Always went the distance. Tough guy.

In what is actually a pretty decent but forgotten matchup is his rematch with Frazier in 1975. Ellis like in the first fight looks very good in the opening rounds (incredibly fast hands) but also like in the first fight wears out from Joe's pressure but ultimately takes a longer beating.

He did have an interesting career. He certainly was thrown to the wolves as a middleweight. Interesting that he didn't stay at lightheavyweight for long. His career did seem to flourish with Dundee. Also interesting that he although he wasn't known as as a bug puncher, he did deck and hurt Bonavena who had a good chin. He also scored several first round knockouts.

I also always thought it was neat that he won his last fight. So many good fighters don't. After to losing the 2nd time to Frazier, he fought one more time. He beat a journeyman to go out a winner.

Il Duce wrote:1967

Jimmy Ellis vs. Bob Foster

Always thought would have been a great bout at 175 lbs. to 180 lbs.

That's a tough one to call, I'd probably have to favor Foster as Ellis didn't come into his best form until he was a Heavyweight, but it's an interesting matchup all the same.

Il Duce wrote:I'm pretty sure the reason that James 'Jimmy' Ellis took the bout with
Rubin 'Hurricane' Carter in February 1964 at Madison Square Garden was......... 'MONEY'.

Jimmy hadn't had a bout in 5-Months {since September 1963}.

Not every boxer had the 'backing, support and management' as Cassius Clay....

Maybe that's because every boxer doesn't coming home carrying Olympic Gold, Il Manichino.

gilgamesh wrote:

Il Duce wrote:1967

Jimmy Ellis vs. Bob Foster

Always thought would have been a great bout at 175 lbs. to 180 lbs.

That's a tough one to call, I'd probably have to favor Foster as Ellis didn't come into his best form until he was a Heavyweight, but it's an interesting matchup all the same.

Ellis was a heavyweight by '67.

I'd take him over Foster.