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British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 20:00
by Horse
1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Ricky Burns
3. (3.) David Haye
4. (4.) Martin Murray
5. (5.) Darren Barker
6. (6.) Amir Khan
7. (7.) Tyson Fury
8. (8.) George Groves
9. (11.) Kell Brook
10. (15.) Carl Frampton

11. (9.) Tony Bellew
12. (10.) Jamie McDonnell
13. (12.) Ola Afolabi
14. (13.) Nathan Cleverly
15. (19.) Scott Quigg
16. (17.) Lee Selby
17. (14.) Matthew Macklin
18. (16.) Dereck Chisora
19. (18.) James DeGale
20. (23.) Brian Rose

21. (20.) Billy Joe Saunders
22. (21.) Frankie Gavin
23. (22.) Lee Haskins
24. (24.) Derry Mathews
25. (25.) Darren Hamilton
26. (26.) Stephen Smith
27. (27.) Anthony Crolla
28. (28.) Gavin Rees
29. (29.) Andy Lee (Irish)
30. (30.) John Simpson

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 20:00
by Horse
Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 20:10
by n1ebf
Horse wrote:Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.
yeah I've got a comment. James Degale's got more talent in his little finger than Tyson Fury, but I guess it all comes down to physicalities/ rankings at the end of the day. Is a man ranked 10 among 99 bad heavies a better boxer than a man ranked 99 amongst a thousand Super Middles? No. :wink:

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 02:45
by tsunami
Perhaps for me id of swapped murray and barker the other way round, and burns wouldnt quite be so high

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 03:02
by WelshJack
P4P is based on opposition right? So surely Carl Frampton would be ahead of Brook and Groves?

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 07:57
by brian13
Scott Quigg is a world champion and is number 15, he needs to be brought up much higher.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 08:10
by Crazyboy
Derry Matthews above Haskins for me and also macdonnell above Bellow

Would genuinely like to know your thoughts on that horse

I do like your lists and thanks for doing it every month, always a topic of conversation where i work :TU:

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 08:50
by sweetscience
good list

dont think Brian Rose should be in it though

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 09:31
by Horse
NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:yeah I've got a comment. James Degale's got more talent in his little finger than Tyson Fury, but I guess it all comes down to physicalities/ rankings at the end of the day.
I'd say Fury is more proven than DeGale. Heavyweights tend to look less talented than they are.
NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:Is a man ranked 10 among 99 bad heavies a better boxer than a man ranked 99 amongst a thousand Super Middles? No. :wink:
I don't know.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 09:33
by Horse
tsunami wrote:Perhaps for me id of swapped murray and barker the other way round, and burns wouldnt quite be so high
If Barker beats Sturm next month then he's likely to overtake Murray and Burns.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 09:44
by Horse
WelshJack wrote:P4P is based on opposition right? So surely Carl Frampton would be ahead of Brook and Groves?
Frampton has two very good wins, but he has fewer good wins than Groves or Brook have.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 10:16
by milpool
When does D.Haye get omitted through inactivity?

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 13:29
by Gordon KOs
Burns at #2 WTF?

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 15:03
by Horse
brian13 wrote:Scott Quigg is a world champion and is number 15, he needs to be brought up much higher.
He was rubbish in his last fight.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 15:27
by Horse
Crazyboy wrote:Derry Matthews above Haskins for me and also macdonnell above Bellow

Would genuinely like to know your thoughts on that horse
Mathews struggled at domestic level recently with Coyle and Crolla, but Haskins beat Hall and Ward fairly comfortably. That gives Haskins the slight edge for me.

Bellew has fought better opposition than McDonnell recently, so he gets the nod. If Stevenson smashes Bellew easily this month, then he'll probably drop below McDonnell in next month's list.
Crazyboy wrote:I do like your lists and thanks for doing it every month, always a topic of conversation where i work :TU:
Involving the workplace in the discussion, nice. :TU:

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 15:47
by brian13
Horse wrote:
brian13 wrote:Scott Quigg is a world champion and is number 15, he needs to be brought up much higher.
He was rubbish in his last fight.
Wasn't Cleverly six when he was regularly fighting cans.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 16:04
by Horse
sweetscience wrote:good list
:TU:
sweetscience wrote:dont think Brian Rose should be in it though
Rose is the clear No. 1 British light middleweight. I think it would be very harsh not to include him. He's struggled recently, but at least he's fighting good opponents.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 16:06
by Horse
milpool wrote:When does D.Haye get omitted through inactivity?
Probably never.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 02 Nov 2013, 06:03
by Finch
brian13 wrote:Scott Quigg is a world champion and is number 15, he needs to be brought up much higher.
Correct me if I am wrong but he is not a proper world champion is he? He holds the equivalent of Povetkin's and Froch's WBA world title rather than Klit's and Ward's?

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 06 Nov 2013, 22:16
by Horse
Gordon KOs wrote:Burns at #2 WTF?
He deserves 2nd position more than Haye, that's why he kept his place.

Barker can take the No. 2 spot if he beats Sturm.

Re: British Top 30 P4P November 2013

Posted: 06 Nov 2013, 22:22
by Horse
brian13 wrote:Wasn't Cleverly six when he was regularly fighting cans.
He earned 5th place when he was fighting good opposition and then he fell because of his poor opponents.