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The current trend of promoters encouraging fighters to make threats , or threatening gestures, to their opponents, is obviously designed to create interest.

However, in this age of accountability is it wise? If we have a near tragedy in the ring ( Michael Watson , Paul Ingle, etc) it is well within the powers of the police/ prosecution service to investigate in the public interest. Generally no action would be taken following an incident in a sporting event, if it happens within the rules. However, if a boxer is threatening to do damage or worse to an opponent before the fight, and the opponent gets badly injured ,or worse, what defence would all those involved have from a charge of manslaughter / culpable homicide if there is clear evidence of threats beforehand. Remember those investigating would probably have no knowledge of boxing and modern trends in terms of the build up. It would be a lame excuse to say ," I didn't mean what I said !! "

Hopefully , it won't happen but the Froch v Groves carry on, on Ringside besides being cringe worthy was a case in point.

Please cut it out chaps , it's a sport after all.

I actually think the levels of sportsmanship are at an all-time high in this country. Plenty of mutual respect between foes. Less pointless trash-talking.

dalcumly wrote:The current trend of promoters encouraging fighters to make threats , or threatening gestures, to their opponents, is obviously designed to create interest.

However, in this age of accountability is it wise? If we have a near tragedy in the ring ( Michael Watson , Paul Ingle, etc) it is well within the powers of the police/ prosecution service to investigate in the public interest. Generally no action would be taken following an incident in a sporting event, if it happens within the rules. However, if a boxer is threatening to do damage or worse to an opponent before the fight, and the opponent gets badly injured ,or worse, what defence would all those involved have from a charge of manslaughter / culpable homicide if there is clear evidence of threats beforehand. Remember those investigating would probably have no knowledge of boxing and modern trends in terms of the build up. It would be a lame excuse to say ," I didn't mean what I said !! "

Hopefully , it won't happen but the Froch v Groves carry on, on Ringside besides being cringe worthy was a case in point.

Please cut it out chaps , it's a sport after all.

intresting point ,however what Promoters have been publicall encouraging fighters to make threats ?

If it's within the rules, there will be no punishment from the police, technically it's assault every time a punch lands, broken noses, jaws, ribs would be GBH, but the objective of boxing is to punch the opponent in the face. It wouldn't be in the public interest to prosecute either, apart from a few soft arses no one wants boxing banned and the police would have knowledge of boxing and how fighters say things to sell a fight, most people have some interest in boxing, no matter how small.

What do the promoters have to do with Froch v Groves? they genuinely don't like each other.

Does anyone believe that the appearance of Froch and Groves on Ringside was arranged without the knowledge and approval of the promoter ??

Secondly did anyone believe that when they appeared on Ringside they would have a nice chat and mutually respect each others career??

How many times have promoters had to step in and separate boxers at the weigh in when the squared up for the press photos.

Did Mike Tyson say that he just loves to drive his opponents nose into their brain?? Did Tyson say that he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis's children??

How many times have we seen a boxer make a throat cutting gesture to his opponent. How many times have referees been required to bring the fighters back together and demand they touch gloves ??

David Haye with the Klitschkos heads on his tee shirt.

Chisora saying publicly he was going to 'burn' Haye.

Yes , the sportsmanship is improving week by week !!!

Come on

You have picked exceptions to prove the rule there.

Overwhelming majority of fighters conduct themselves brilliantly.

I agree ALL 'down the bill' fighters behave honourably , but somehow, when they get to the top of the game their attitude changes. I wonder why that it ???

The thread starter sounds like he maybe 'batting for the other team'......either that or he's
just on a wind up

dalcumly wrote:Does anyone believe that the appearance of Froch and Groves on Ringside was arranged without the knowledge and approval of the promoter ??

Secondly did anyone believe that when they appeared on Ringside they would have a nice chat and mutually respect each others career??

How many times have promoters had to step in and separate boxers at the weigh in when the squared up for the press photos.

Did Mike Tyson say that he just loves to drive his opponents nose into their brain?? Did Tyson say that he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis's children??

How many times have we seen a boxer make a throat cutting gesture to his opponent. How many times have referees been required to bring the fighters back together and demand they touch gloves ??

David Haye with the Klitschkos heads on his tee shirt.

Chisora saying publicly he was going to 'burn' Haye.

Yes , the sportsmanship is improving week by week !!!

Sounds like the world of boxing isn't for you.

Why do they need to be careful, in case a fighter ends up in tears on Ringside?

Manchester Hitman wrote:The thread starter sounds like he maybe 'batting for the other team'......either that or he's
just on a wind up

Someone had to say it. What a crock a s**t. We're talking about boxing here. Unless thegovernment wants to ban the sport, you can't hold a fighter accountable for a serious accident or death in the ring.

As much as boxing romantics like to drone on about the sweet science, there is nothing sweet about boxing. You've got to be a f**king moron to believe that.

I actually find it refreshing when there is some anger before a fight. The dude your going to be facing is going to try and take your head off unless his name is Sven Ottke. I don't expect any sportsmanship from a boxer.

Is this what boxing's come to ?? I've met more gentlemen in this sport than in any other but do you hear of rugby players saying they're going to injure opponents , do you hear of football players saying they're going to break someone's leg , do you hear Formula 1 drivers saying they are going to run an opponent off the course ??

Oh for the days of our 'enery, and hundreds like him. I despair.

dalcumly wrote:Is this what boxing's come to ?? I've met more gentlemen in this sport than in any other but do you hear of rugby players saying they're going to injure opponents , do you hear of football players saying they're going to break someone's leg , do you hear Formula 1 drivers saying they are going to run an opponent off the course ??

Oh for the days of our 'enery, and hundreds like him. I despair.

Seriously?

At least your consistent. Your PPV/Tesco thread was nonsensical too and drew even more bizarre analogies. This is Boxing. Hype, bad blood and sensationalist stories sell fights and pays Boxers. it's been going on for years. Shall we also sue all the 25 stone moronic fans that shout "fornicating kill him" when a bouts in progress?

If anyone needs to be "careful" it's you pal for insinuating that promoters actively tell their fighters to make threats and threating gestures with zero proof.

dalcumly wrote:Is this what boxing's come to ?? I've met more gentlemen in this sport than in any other but do you hear of rugby players saying they're going to injure opponents , do you hear of football players saying they're going to break someone's leg , do you hear Formula 1 drivers saying they are going to run an opponent off the course ??

Oh for the days of our 'enery, and hundreds like him. I despair.

Of course not but thats not part of their respective sports is it?

When a boxer says i'm gonna go in there and knock him out, bust him up whatever, its because that is exactly what they are going there to do, win by fighting/ boxing

Insider

I'm not suggesting promoters actually tell boxers to make antagonistic comments ,but they know full well that they create a situation( photo calls, weigh-ins) with a fair idea how it's going to pan out. And that's because they believe it will enhance ticket sales or box office subscription- which I don't accept.I know many ex-boxers/fans who have simply been turned off from the sport entirely with the current trend.

I've also got to ask why you feel the need to make nasty personal comments when someone says something you disagree with. Can you not simply have a debate on the issues raised. I would never insult anyone on-line unless I was prepared to do it face to face. To my mind that's a cowards charter.

Finally, who do you prefer as a person , Scott Quigg/Carl Frampton/ Ricky Burns or an Adrien Broner type person???

It's hardly a current trend, Ali and Frazier were rolling around on the floor scrapping at a press conference in the early 70s, it's a part of boxing, always has been, always will be.

dalcumly wrote:Insider

I'm not suggesting promoters actually tell boxers to make antagonistic comments ,but that know full well that they create a situation( photo calls, weigh-ins) with a fair idea how it's going to pan out. And that's because they believe it will enhance ticket sales or box office subscription- don't accept.I know many ex-boxers/fans who have simply been turned off from the sport entirely with the current trend.

I've also got to ask why you feel the need to make nasty personal comments when someone says something you disagree with. Can you not simply have a debate on the issues raised. I would never insult anyone on-line unless I was prepared to do it face to face. To my mind that's a cowards charter.

Finally, who do you prefer as a person , Scott Quigg/Carl Frampton/ Ricky Burns or an Adrien Broner type person???

I stand by what I've said. This and your Tesco/PPV thread are nonsensical. If you take that personally and deem that by me calling them nonsensical that im nasty you need to get out more. So what do promoters need to be careful of then if your NOT actually suggesting that they in any way instruct their fighters to make antagonistic comments. Should we do away with face to faces? Perhaps weigh ins behind closed doors? I don not know of anyone who's has turned their back on boxing because of pre fight hype, after all they will be punching each other's heads in, in the near future. I do not know any fighters you have mentioned on a personal level so cant comment on who I like as a person better. I can tell you I'd rather watch a Tyson Fury, Broner, Chisora weigh in or interview over a Ricky burns etc affair.

John L. Sullivan wrote:I can lick any sonofabitch in the house!

dalcumly wrote:I am shocked beyond imagining! Quick, to the gallows with him! Not fit to wear a title! Oh, for the likes of the Gallant Mendozy, who totally didn't have to put up with anti-Semites screaming "Kill the Yid!" from ringside.

PS: Not even Adrien Broner's mum likes Adrien Broner. I don't really see a mass increase in the amount of people trying to be Adrien Broner clones.

Is there something wrong with boxers shaking hands and wishing their opponent the best of luck?
Or is that not tough enough for some people?

You can see examples of the 'big man ' attitude all over the place in boxing. In particular you see it in some amateur gyms when you see novices blasting away at each other with no idea about the skills necessary to defend themselves. Good gyms are where novices learn how to move round the gym and block/parry punches before they are allowed to actually throw punches. By teaching this way novices are learning a sport, with skills which are appreciated by people who know the game. They don't usually turn into loud mouth oafs, with so little brains that they don't even realise how stupid they sound.

Again, I say, promoters who encourage the aggressive behaviour may well end up totally regretting their involvement in a tragic situation. I hope I'm never proved right , because somebody would need to get hurt for that to happen , and in a SPORT, we don't want that.

dalcumly wrote:Is there something wrong with boxers shaking hands and wishing their opponent the best of luck?
Or is that not tough enough for some people?

You can see examples of the 'big man ' attitude all over the place in boxing. In particular you see it in some amateur gyms when you see novices blasting away at each other with no idea about the skills necessary to defend themselves. Good gyms are where novices learn how to move round the gym and block/parry punches before they are allowed to actually throw punches. By teaching this way novices are learning a sport, with skills which are appreciated by people who know the game. They don't usually turn into loud mouth oafs, with so little brains that they don't even realise how stupid they sound.

Again, I say, promoters who encourage the aggressive behaviour may well end up totally regretting their involvement in a tragic situation. I hope I'm never proved right , because somebody would need to get hurt for that to happen , and in a SPORT, we don't want that.

We do want people to get hurt though, not seriously obviously, but if no one gets hurt, no boxing, simple.

dalcumly wrote:Is there something wrong with boxers shaking hands and wishing their opponent the best of luck?
Or is that not tough enough for some people?

You can see examples of the 'big man ' attitude all over the place in boxing. In particular you see it in some amateur gyms when you see novices blasting away at each other with no idea about the skills necessary to defend themselves. Good gyms are where novices learn how to move round the gym and block/parry punches before they are allowed to actually throw punches. By teaching this way novices are learning a sport, with skills which are appreciated by people who know the game. They don't usually turn into loud mouth oafs, with so little brains that they don't even realise how stupid they sound.

Again, I say, promoters who encourage the aggressive behaviour may well end up totally regretting their involvement in a tragic situation. I hope I'm never proved right , because somebody would need to get hurt for that to happen , and in a SPORT, we don't want that.

There isn't anything wrong with that at all and it does go back to a brilliant era in boxing and I personally think it shows a lot more confidence and 'toughness' than all the mind games, name calling etc.

It's good publicity

dalcumly wrote:The current trend of promoters encouraging fighters to make threats , or threatening gestures, to their opponents, is obviously designed to create interest.

However, in this age of accountability is it wise? If we have a near tragedy in the ring ( Michael Watson , Paul Ingle, etc) it is well within the powers of the police/ prosecution service to investigate in the public interest. Generally no action would be taken following an incident in a sporting event, if it happens within the rules. However, if a boxer is threatening to do damage or worse to an opponent before the fight, and the opponent gets badly injured ,or worse, what defence would all those involved have from a charge of manslaughter / culpable homicide if there is clear evidence of threats beforehand. Remember those investigating would probably have no knowledge of boxing and modern trends in terms of the build up. It would be a lame excuse to say ," I didn't mean what I said !! "

Hopefully , it won't happen but the Froch v Groves carry on, on Ringside besides being cringe worthy was a case in point.

Please cut it out chaps , it's a sport after all.

Ahh another one of those threads......


Did you ever hear of a fighter called Muhammed Ali?

dalcumly wrote:Is there something wrong with boxers shaking hands and wishing their opponent the best of luck?
Or is that not tough enough for some people?

You can see examples of the 'big man ' attitude all over the place in boxing. In particular you see it in some amateur gyms when you see novices blasting away at each other with no idea about the skills necessary to defend themselves. Good gyms are where novices learn how to move round the gym and block/parry punches before they are allowed to actually throw punches. By teaching this way novices are learning a sport, with skills which are appreciated by people who know the game. They don't usually turn into loud mouth oafs, with so little brains that they don't even realise how stupid they sound.

Again, I say, promoters who encourage the aggressive behaviour may well end up totally regretting their involvement in a tragic situation. I hope I'm never proved right , because somebody would need to get hurt for that to happen , and in a SPORT, we don't want that.

You sound like a Daily Telegraph cricket corespondent in the 1920's bemoaning the ungentlemanly conduct of modern professional players. Best highlighted in an unseemly incident where the Yorkshire short leg fielder neglected to doff his cap to the Middlesex captain Lord Mountbatten, when he passed him on the way to the wicket.