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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/boxin ... 6751577075

Thoughts guys?

Up a bit, down a bit, left a bit, right a bit, lets get this hokey cokey on.

'Frilla wrote:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/boxin ... 6751577075

Thoughts guys?

Im more of a green fan than a mundine, but niether of them are really relevant on the world scene anymore for whatever reason.

Unfortunately I have to see this makes Green look a little silly. he fought Beyer at 166 POUNDS 14 months before he fought choc, and his 2 warm up fights before choc were only 171lbs so its hard to say he wasnt a SMW. It sounds like an excuse to me and he needs to just accept he didnt produce on the night and choc was too good.

What Danny is saying has been said by many many people over many many years. the recent Mosley situation just gave Danny and others more ammo to have a crack at Choc. I honestly dont think a fight with Choc is that big anymore. If greeny has 4 million to put the fight on, maybe he should call BHOP !!!
What I did find humorous, although arrogant, was Mundines response.

I agree with everything greeny says but just not the weight drain excuse.

was very funny to see on twitter that Austin Trout posted Danny's open letter with a "well said" comment

I don't think Green is in that much of a position to judge what Mundine has done. Call me crazy but neither has done that much over the last few years(on the world stage) and when they were actually doing something Mundine arguably had the better quality wins. Not to mention I am certain that without Mundine, Green would of just been another solid Aussie fighter that the public doesn't care about.

Edit: not to mention it is a Cruiserweight calling out a Light Middleweight, even if the smaller guy kicked his ass a few years ago it is still pretty piss poor.

Also there is a lot of comments on that article from morons.

No doubt you have only posted the above to get a bite. Not to make any honest sense.

amwsnw wrote: What I did find humorous, although arrogant, was Mundines response.

What was Choc's response?

just as silly.

Chocs response. Very delusional, but hey:

"Former world champion Anthony Mundine had a short response to archrival Danny Green’s comments yesterday. “Choc” told the Sunday Telegraph: “Dan relax, just relax. Your time will come at the weight I choose, at the venue I choose and at the payment I wish to give. There is only one captin of this ship —and it ain’t you.”

amwsnw wrote:Chocs response. Very delusional, but hey:

"Former world champion Anthony Mundine had a short response to archrival Danny Green’s comments yesterday. “Choc” told the Sunday Telegraph: “Dan relax, just relax. Your time will come at the weight I choose, at the venue I choose and at the payment I wish to give. There is only one captin of this ship —and it ain’t you.”

Weak.

Anyways Abbos have no need to captain boats, it is the Indonesians that have these delusions

amwsnw wrote:No doubt you have only posted the above to get a bite. Not to make any honest sense.

well what top fighters in their prime has green beaten?

Mundine will forever be remembered for who he didn't fight rather than who he did. (ie: Trout, Kessler II,....Floyd ...., etc)
Whereas Danny will likely be remembered for two things 1. Losing to Choc and 2. Losing to Choc

I like Danny's response, it's not a call-out, it's a response.

I also thought it was pretty well known that Danny had issues making weight and that Fenech had even advised him to not fight at SMW (or something of that ilk)

It's true that Danny wouldn't be as popular as he is if not for Choc, but I still think overall, his career has been more successful.

What world titles is Danny talking about? The Ibo Cw title he was allowed to defend against no hoppers like siaca and Briggs? (also, didnt choc win the ibo title too)Jones jnr? Please he has been shoot to pieces since 2006.
mundines win over geale is better than anything green gas done since they fought.
I don't really like mundine but fact is Danny got a pass for doing the same things as him, just cause he's a "good Aussie bloke"

P4P1, have a look at their last ten fights and take the best opponents.
Green: Cameron, Wldodarczyk (was and still is top 3 cruiser in the world. Green was schooling himuntil he was ko'd), Tarver (after beating Green was recognised as top 3 cruiser in world. HOF) , Flores (undefeated cruiser at the time, still a contender), Jones Junior (betting favourite going in after a lopsided win in previous bout. All of a sudden a shot fighter after Green iced him. Then took Bhop 12 rounds).
Choc: Geale (future world champ, lost on points), Alvarez (No, not Canelo), Wood (contendor who ko'd choc), Waters, Medley. You could argue prior to that Chocs opponents such as Geale, Taylor, Soliman, Green and Ottke were very good opponents. But other than Ottke and Geale the opponents were not at their peak, ideal weights either.
Green fought Drews (reigning champ), Sullivan, Beyer x 2 (elite sup. middle), Lucas and Delisle.
I think if you open both eyes the quality of opponents for Green regardless whether he won or not has been far superior to Chocs.Its not so much about winning, its about who he has been prepared to fght.
As far as the Briggs debacle goes there is no defending that, but shite we dont want to start bringing up BS bouts choc has been involved now do we!! The opponents are just off the top of my head so if the order is out I apologise, but IMO Green has been prepared to fight the much stiffer opposition. Both have made terrible decisions in the past with certain opponents though.

Ideal weights? Green fought cameron and Flores at catch weights!
Everybody knew jones was shot before the green fight, looking good against jeff lacy dosemt change that.
Im not saying greens a bad person or fighter, I'm just saying their careers are not all that different

amwsnw wrote:P4P1, have a look at their last ten fights and take the best opponents.
Green: Cameron, Wldodarczyk (was and still is top 3 cruiser in the world. Green was schooling himuntil he was ko'd), Tarver (after beating Green was recognised as top 3 cruiser in world. HOF) , Flores (undefeated cruiser at the time, still a contender), Jones Junior (betting favourite going in after a lopsided win in previous bout. All of a sudden a shot fighter after Green iced him. Then took Bhop 12 rounds).
Choc: Geale (future world champ, lost on points), Alvarez (No, not Canelo), Wood (contendor who ko'd choc), Waters, Medley. You could argue prior to that Chocs opponents such as Geale, Taylor, Soliman, Green and Ottke were very good opponents. But other than Ottke and Geale the opponents were not at their peak, ideal weights either.
Green fought Drews (reigning champ), Sullivan, Beyer x 2 (elite sup. middle), Lucas and Delisle.
I think if you open both eyes the quality of opponents for Green regardless whether he won or not has been far superior to Chocs.Its not so much about winning, its about who he has been prepared to fght.
As far as the Briggs debacle goes there is no defending that, but shite we dont want to start bringing up BS bouts choc has been involved now do we!! The opponents are just off the top of my head so if the order is out I apologise, but IMO Green has been prepared to fight the much stiffer opposition. Both have made terrible decisions in the past with certain opponents though.

You forgot the excellent Siaca win. Beyer elite. DD

It all comes down to this though, Mundine top 5 wins: 3, Greens top 5 wins: 0

Greens list of latest opponents
Cameron - below his best weight a good solid fighter but not a standout or championship caliber
Wlod - excellent opponent KO'd Green doesn't matter how well he was doing
Tarver - Same as above though above his best weight and past his best
Flores - undefeated good fighter but at the time unproven and again made him weigh below the CW limit
Jones Jr - really everyone knows where he was at in his career it would be the same kind of win if Choc beats Mosley. He was not a shot fighter after Green beat him he was a shot fighter after the Ruiz fight he hasn't looked the same since it. Going 12 rounds with BHop isn't a big deal he hasn't stopped anyone since De La Hoya in 04.

Their careers aren't really that different though when Mundine has stepped up he managed to win a few.

We will agree to disagree mate. IMO Green has been in with the far better opposition and has achieved more than Choc.
I respect your comments, just don't agree with them.
And Goose, Beyer was one of the elite at the time.

amwsnw wrote:We will agree to disagree mate. IMO Green has been in with the far better opposition and has achieved more than Choc.
I respect your comments, just don't agree with them.
And Goose, Beyer was one of the elite at the time.

amwsnw wrote:We will agree to disagree mate. IMO Green has been in with the far better opposition and has achieved more than Choc.
I respect your comments, just don't agree with them.
And Goose, Beyer was one of the elite at the time.

Beyer was never elite. He was a protected species we all seen what happened when he stepped up. Green is much the same as Mundine though Mundine faced better opposition earlier in his career(though he lost)And fought garbage after Soliman II with the exception of Daniel Geale. Green is facing better opposition now but hardly elite. They both have made alot of money though so good luck to them for that.