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Had a quick chuckle, looks like its groves fault again


http://m.skysports.com/article/boxing//9030658

That's pretty pathetic really. If that's how "bad blood" develops I don't know how boxers get through life. I thought they were meant to be tough guys, not big girls blouses. A bit like when Katsidis didn't acknowledge Kevin Mitchell on a vist to the UK -despite Katsidis not knowing who he actually was.

Or it could just be bullsh!t to try and sell a PPV that few outside this forum will buy.

fornicating get on with it and accept that some people don't like Froch and want him to lose, him and his whole camp are obsessed with respect and recognition, Groves should show none after he knocks Froch out.

Froch seems to be very brittle for such a tough competitive man; I've been really surprised at this side of him though I'd not really paid much attention to him outside of his bouts. I thought McCracken was above all that sort of thing as well; Groves hasn't said anything at all out of order - it seems they want Groves to be grateful for being near Froch and as if Froch was doing Groves a massive favour.

palooka wrote:Froch seems to be very brittle for such a tough competitive man; I've been really surprised at this side of him though I'd not really paid much attention to him outside of his bouts. I thought McCracken was above all that sort of thing as well; Groves hasn't said anything at all out of order - it seems they want Groves to be grateful for being near Froch and as if Froch was doing Groves a massive favour.

I guess this is the source of his well-documented problems with confidence as an amateur

Newport Daz wrote:That's pretty pathetic really. If that's how "bad blood" develops I don't know how boxers get through life. I thought they were meant to be tough guys, not big girls blouses. A bit like when Katsidis didn't acknowledge Kevin Mitchell on a vist to the UK -despite Katsidis not knowing who he actually was.

Or it could just be bullsh!t to try and sell a PPV that few outside this forum will buy.

I can see this PPV doing very very well. Everybody is talking about it, even had a few mates whose last taste of boxing was Hatton v Pac inviting me around. The casuals are digging it I think.

I agree Froch needs a bit of a thicker skin though.

DMA1987 wrote:

Newport Daz wrote:That's pretty pathetic really. If that's how "bad blood" develops I don't know how boxers get through life. I thought they were meant to be tough guys, not big girls blouses. A bit like when Katsidis didn't acknowledge Kevin Mitchell on a vist to the UK -despite Katsidis not knowing who he actually was.

Or it could just be bullsh!t to try and sell a PPV that few outside this forum will buy.

I can see this PPV doing very very well. Everybody is talking about it, even had a few mates whose last taste of boxing was Hatton v Pac inviting me around. The casuals are digging it I think.

I agree Froch needs a bit of a thicker skin though.

Really? I must admit I'd be surprised if this got any where near the numbers that Kessler got. Kessler had far more history with Froch than Groves does and is a much more proven fighter. PPV's are for 50:50 fights, i don't think anyone considers that of this fight?

Groves has the UK factor though. People also seem to be more split about the outcome of Groves v Froch than they were about Froch V Kessler 2 for some reason. This forum of actual 'hardcore' fans seems to be 70/30 so its not too great a suprise that the public can be convinced its close to 50/50.

I'm just going off a small sample size with my mates and what I an seeing on social media, etc but it does seem to have crossed over.

I think it will far outdo the Kessler numbers.

mickey1975 wrote:I think it will far outdo the Kessler numbers.

I agree with you.

DMA1987 wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:I think it will far outdo the Kessler numbers.

I agree with you.

At the pub at the weekend. one single person knew what I wasn't talking about when I mentioned this fight

One person knew or one person didn't know?
If you live in the ROI its going to be different isnt it, these are English fighters. If you live over here then its different to what I am finding, but then again perhaps its different across the UK.

DMA - do you seriously think Joe Public gives a stuff whether this is a 50/50 fight or not ?
For the purists it shouldn't be a ppv event - but come on the purists are a tiny proportion of the audience.
This is in their eyes the biggest all UK fight out there.
Froch and Groves I salute your marketing skills.
Sky TV - great job boys.
This will do 750k sales so do the maths.
Hope the lads get properly paid.

As far as i can see,Groves hasn't said or done anything out of order,he's a young undefeated fighter who is obviously full of self belief,and so he should be.Froch seems to be demanding respect like he's the number one guy in the division and unbeaten and finds it difficult to admit he lost 2 fights.Groves is young,fit,good mover and can crack pretty hard,Froch should be concerned about that and if he isn't then he could be in for a surprise.

p.s

I have 2 tickets for this and can't wait.

Parson Cross wrote:DMA - do you seriously think Joe Public gives a stuff whether this is a 50/50 fight or not ?
For the purists it shouldn't be a ppv event - but come on the purists are a tiny proportion of the audience.
This is in their eyes the biggest all UK fight out there.
Froch and Groves I salute your marketing skills.
Sky TV - great job boys.
This will do 750k sales so do the maths.
Hope the lads get properly paid.

I think they need to believe its a close fight yes. Why else would it be the biggest UK fight in their eyes? Because they expect a one sided fight?
Like I say, I think it'll do big buys.

'His face showed it all and I remember Carl pointing it out to me in the ring'

so now we're getting ourselves all emotional and resentful about- wait for it- someone's fvcking facial expression.

words can hardly express how pathetic I find this.

Counter-puncher wrote:'His face showed it all and I remember Carl pointing it out to me in the ring'

so now we're getting ourselves all emotional and resentful about- wait for it- someone's fvcking facial expression.

words can hardly express how pathetic I find this.

I agree. I can't even imagine why Froch would be checking Groves' reaction while he celebrates what was probably the biggest win of his career?

youngrell wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:'His face showed it all and I remember Carl pointing it out to me in the ring'

so now we're getting ourselves all emotional and resentful about- wait for it- someone's fvcking facial expression.

words can hardly express how pathetic I find this.

I agree. I can't even imagine why Froch would be checking Groves' reaction while he celebrates what was probably the biggest win of his career?

maybe he was looking for His Beautiful Girlfriend Rachel Cordingley and he saw, instead, the face of the dastardly George Groves, all thunderously annoyed and stuff.

no wonder dem manz got beef, eh?

Let's face it, Groves is a step down from the calibre of fighters Froch has been facing and Froch should, in my opinion, be a massive favourite. These kinds of fights can be a banana skin if a fighter gets complacent, I think that Froch is using everything he can to make sure he's fired up and doesn't make that mistake. Of course you'd expect Groves to be trying to rattle Froch, it doesn't take away from the fact he's been acting like a dick. I bet plenty of people other than Froch have been listening to him and getting wound up by his slaver!

He's going to put a hurting on Groves.

Counter-puncher wrote:

youngrell wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:'His face showed it all and I remember Carl pointing it out to me in the ring'

so now we're getting ourselves all emotional and resentful about- wait for it- someone's fvcking facial expression.

words can hardly express how pathetic I find this.

I agree. I can't even imagine why Froch would be checking Groves' reaction while he celebrates what was probably the biggest win of his career?

maybe he was looking for His Beautiful Girlfriend Rachel Cordingley and he saw, instead, the face of the dastardly George Groves, all thunderously annoyed and stuff.

no wonder dem manz got beef, eh?

She is easy to find. Just look for the nearest camera.

Matt W wrote:Let's face it, Groves is a step down from the calibre of fighters Froch has been facing and Froch should, in my opinion, be a massive favourite. These kinds of fights can be a banana skin if a fighter gets complacent, I think that Froch is using everything he can to make sure he's fired up and doesn't make that mistake. Of course you'd expect Groves to be trying to rattle Froch, it doesn't take away from the fact he's been acting like a dick. I bet plenty of people other than Froch have been listening to him and getting wound up by his slaver!

He's going to put a hurting on Groves.

For the life of me; after watching the head to head thing and a little bit more I can't see what slaver Groves has given him - Froch tried it when he told Groves his breath stank. I've found Froch far less likeable than Groves.

I blame George Groves for many things, but I had no idea he was a slaver.

That's pretty unconscionable.

A lot of stock is being put in to Froch's victory over Kessler, but to me it all depends on how much Mikkel had left for that fight. Froch won the fight by 3 or 4 rounds but Kessler had him on queer street in round 11 despite, in my eyes, being over the hill.

The reason the Groves fight is intriguing to me is that I don't believe Froch is as good as this forum, Sky tv or Eddie Hearn would have you believe. I think Froch beat a shop worn Kessler, but the first Kessler fight, the Kessler that had desire and skills, beat him relatively comfortably, as did Ward. A slightly over the hill Jermain Taylor was 12 seconds away from a clear points victory and Andre Dirrel should have got the nod. He also laboured against a 42 year old Glen Johnson.

Great win against Bute but even still I think history will end up showing that this win was not quite what we all thought it was at the time.

Froch is not a killing machine who's head and shoulders above the opposition. Has he ever been the recognised number one in his division? He's a very good top three Super Middleweight who has ducked nobody and for that he deserves credit. He has a great chin, physical strength and a great will to win - but he is not the second coming of Marvin Hagler.

In spite of Froch's hype, I do still make him the favourite because we know that he's a top-level guy and nobody knows if Groves is... but don't be surprised if Groves does pull it off. Froch aint that good.

Happy Slapper wrote:A lot of stock is being put in to Froch's victory over Kessler, but to me it all depends on how much Mikkel had left for that fight. Froch won the fight by 3 or 4 rounds but Kessler had him on queer street in round 11 despite, in my eyes, being over the hill.

The reason the Groves fight is intriguing to me is that I don't believe Froch is as good as this forum, Sky tv or Eddie Hearn would have you believe. I think Froch beat a shop worn Kessler, but the first Kessler fight, the Kessler that had desire and skills, beat him relatively comfortably, as did Ward. A slightly over the hill Jermain Taylor was 12 seconds away from a clear points victory and Andre Dirrel should have got the nod. He also laboured against a 42 year old Glen Johnson.

Great win against Bute but even still I think history will end up showing that this win was not quite what we all thought it was at the time.

Froch is not a killing machine who's head and shoulders above the opposition. Has he ever been the recognised number one in his division? He's a very good top three Super Middleweight who has ducked nobody and for that he deserves credit. He has a great chin, physical strength and a great will to win - but he is not the second coming of Marvin Hagler.

In spite of Froch's hype, I do still make him the favourite because we know that he's a top-level guy and nobody knows if Groves is... but don't be surprised if Groves does pull it off. Froch aint that good.

i agree with most of your post but i think the Kessler of the 2nd fight showed demonstrably better skills (than the first fight iteration), most notably, much better head movement & movement of his torso, footwork, better use of the left hook in combinations.

i would also comment that I heard Groves on the radio last night, and his attempts to claim that he was 'winning' the buildup (and thus would win the fight) were as laughable and pathetic as Froch's attempt above to find some kind of grudge in Groves' underwhelming reaction to what was the greatest victory in boxing history, over Bute.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:A lot of stock is being put in to Froch's victory over Kessler, but to me it all depends on how much Mikkel had left for that fight. Froch won the fight by 3 or 4 rounds but Kessler had him on queer street in round 11 despite, in my eyes, being over the hill.

The reason the Groves fight is intriguing to me is that I don't believe Froch is as good as this forum, Sky tv or Eddie Hearn would have you believe. I think Froch beat a shop worn Kessler, but the first Kessler fight, the Kessler that had desire and skills, beat him relatively comfortably, as did Ward. A slightly over the hill Jermain Taylor was 12 seconds away from a clear points victory and Andre Dirrel should have got the nod. He also laboured against a 42 year old Glen Johnson.

Great win against Bute but even still I think history will end up showing that this win was not quite what we all thought it was at the time.

Froch is not a killing machine who's head and shoulders above the opposition. Has he ever been the recognised number one in his division? He's a very good top three Super Middleweight who has ducked nobody and for that he deserves credit. He has a great chin, physical strength and a great will to win - but he is not the second coming of Marvin Hagler.

In spite of Froch's hype, I do still make him the favourite because we know that he's a top-level guy and nobody knows if Groves is... but don't be surprised if Groves does pull it off. Froch aint that good.

i agree with most of your post but i think the Kessler of the 2nd fight showed demonstrably better skills (than the first fight iteration), most notably, much better head movement & movement of his torso, footwork, better use of the left hook in combinations.

i would also comment that I heard Groves on the radio last night, and his attempts to claim that he was 'winning' the buildup (and thus would win the fight) were as laughable and pathetic as Froch's attempt above to find some kind of grudge in Groves' underwhelming reaction to what was the greatest victory in boxing history, over Bute.

1) More than a few boxers use the media build up pre fight to try and get some psychological leverage and plant some doubt into the mind of their opponent; the easiest way to deal with that is to have a poker face and to respond as blandly as possible - no matter how much it has upset/distracted you. Froch has been unable to do that, he (and his trainer) have responded and seemed shrill and silly. The build up is a phoney war but I'd say that Froch has seemed more 'out of character' than in previous fights so I'd say that whatever Groves has been doing has had an effect whereas Groves doesn't appear to bothered at all by Froch.

2) Very good