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Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 09:34
by palooka
George Groves revealed his game plan to Froch and the world today at the final press conference. George is to meet Froch mid ring and win the battle of jabs and land 2 right hands; the same in the 2nd round and then some more.
I imagined the plan to beat Froch would be more intricate; is this a red herring or a good tactic?
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 09:35
by Andypittcov
He's just trying to give him something to think about.
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 09:36
by stevedoc
groves will jab and move
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 09:44
by lefty
I think Groves's is going to do that! Initially atleast. If Froch has any success or lands a particularily hard shot though, he'll start backing up and trying to pot shot and counter punch whilst moving a lot.
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 09:49
by Terrrrry
Same gameplan as the DeGale fight for GG in this one methinks.
His jab has come on leaps and bounds since then too. He'll box behind it and move.
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 10:14
by TJ77
stevedoc wrote:groves will jab and move
This
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 10:31
by SteveDow
He will never meet him in the centre of the ring and trade blows as he knows he'd come off second best. As others have said he'll box off the back foot and try to nick the fight on points. He has a decent dig on him but when has Froch ever looked in real danger of being stopped.
How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 10:55
by TopGun
How I see them matching up: -
Best Chin: Froch
Jab: Groves
Speed: Groves
Big Fight Experience: Froch
Power: Groves
Head Movement: Groves
Foot Work: Groves
Mental Strength: Froch
Stamina: Froch
Groves -5
Froch - 4
This is why I see Groves winning!
I have tried to break down a fighter as best I can, feel free to add or remove where you disagree.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 10:56
by danconnollyeire
TopGun wrote:How I see them matching up: -
Best Chin: Froch
Jab: Groves
Speed: Groves
Big Fight Experience: Froch
Power: Groves
Head Movement: Groves
Foot Work: Groves
Mental Strength: Froch
Stamina: Froch
Groves -5
Froch - 4
This is why I see Groves winning!
I have tried to break down a fighter as best I can, feel free to add or remove where you disagree.
Tactics Froch
Pressure Froch
Confidence Froch
Experience Froch
Strategy Froch
Style Froch
Durability Froch
Re: Is meeting Froch centre ring a good gameplan?
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 10:57
by Gazmac81
big fights generally start with a jabbing session in the first round , as it developes Groves will be more on the backfoot , turning froch and hitting
if he can get a way with not getting caught with follow up punches then i think he can do it , if carl catches him and punches though then could be alot of trouble
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:00
by lefty
danconnollyeire wrote:TopGun wrote:How I see them matching up: -
Best Chin: Froch
Jab: Groves
Speed: Groves
Big Fight Experience: Froch
Power: Groves
Head Movement: Groves
Foot Work: Groves
Mental Strength: Froch
Stamina: Froch
Groves -5
Froch - 4
This is why I see Groves winning!
I have tried to break down a fighter as best I can, feel free to add or remove where you disagree.
Tactics Froch
Pressure Froch
Confidence Froch
Experience Froch
Strategy Froch
Style Froch
Durability Froch
I think that will be the most important factor in the whole fight to be honest.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:05
by The Insider
danconnollyeire wrote:
Tactics Froch GROVES
Pressure Froch
Confidence Froch GROVES
Experience Froch
Strategy Froch GROVES
Style Froch
Durability Froch
That's my take.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:05
by palooka
I can't disagree with any of the attributes that have been listed and can only add youth; because Froch has kept himself in good condition all along this isn't really noticed. Froch was older than Groves is now when he turned pro 11 years ago. Froch has some miles on the clock and you cannot buy youth and vitality.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:23
by Bard of Boxrec
Using this list of attributes to shoehorn Groves into a favoured position doesn't make any sense at all.
Important things: Froch is tougher, has better ring generalship, better stamina, better overall defence. All proved during his years of having operated at an infinitely higher level. Groves' style has never proved to be a problem for him.
Any other rationale in favour of Groves is just conjecture.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:24
by Counter-puncher
oh my god
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:30
by TopGun
Riddick Blowe wrote:Using this list of attributes to shoehorn Groves into a favoured position doesn't make any sense at all.
Important things: Froch is tougher, has better ring generalship, better stamina, better overall defence. All proved during his years of having operated at an infinitely higher level. Groves' style has never proved to be a problem for him.
Any other rationale in favour of Groves is just conjecture.
That is a massive contradiction isn't it, given you reasons for why Froch is better? Is yours not conjecture then?
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:30
by TopGun
Counter-puncher wrote:oh my god
No need for Blasphemy
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:30
by Counter-puncher
Froch wins by way of hotter girlfriend and more kids
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:32
by Bard of Boxrec
TopGun wrote:Riddick Blowe wrote:Using this list of attributes to shoehorn Groves into a favoured position doesn't make any sense at all.
Important things: Froch is tougher, has better ring generalship, better stamina, better overall defence. All proved during his years of having operated at an infinitely higher level. Groves' style has never proved to be a problem for him.
Any other rationale in favour of Groves is just conjecture.
That is a massive contradiction isn't it, given you reasons for why Froch is better? Is yours not conjecture then?
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 11:42
by TopGun
Riddick Blowe wrote:TopGun wrote:Riddick Blowe wrote:Using this list of attributes to shoehorn Groves into a favoured position doesn't make any sense at all.
Important things: Froch is tougher, has better ring generalship, better stamina, better overall defence. All proved during his years of having operated at an infinitely higher level. Groves' style has never proved to be a problem for him.
Any other rationale in favour of Groves is just conjecture.
That is a massive contradiction isn't it, given you reasons for why Froch is better? Is yours not conjecture then?
I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Well you are saying my list is not making any sense and I'm forming my opinion that Groves is better is on incomplete criteria. Obviously the list could be endless but all of your categories fall into mine: Tougher (chin/mental strength) etc.
I'm just backing my theory that Groves will win the fight through a few valid points. How you can say Froch has better defence? I would say that is one of his worse attributes IMO
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 12:02
by Counter-puncher
foreign language ability: Froch
resistance to colds and flu: Groves
ability to look good in a stupid hat: tied
property portfolio: Froch
fewest scars from childhood acne: Froch
best chessplayer: Groves
best record on CoD: Froch
clearly Froch wins this one
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 12:09
by The Insider
Counter-puncher wrote:foreign language ability: Froch
resistance to colds and flu: Groves
ability to look good in a stupid hat: tied
property portfolio: Froch
fewest scars from childhood acne: Froch
best chessplayer: Groves
best record on CoD: Froch
clearly Froch wins this one
DD
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 12:12
by palooka
Biggest nose: Froch
Pinkest trousers: Groves
Loudest voice: Froch
Biggest steak: Groves
Loves Eddie the most: Froch
Best trainer: Froch
Biggest ego: Froch
Hardest puncher: Groves
Oldest by 11 years: Froch
Baddest breath: Groves
Wound up to fornicate: Froch
Fastest feet: Groves
Most miles on clock: Froch
Biggest mentalist: Froch
Winner: Froch
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 12:14
by lefty
palooka wrote:Biggest nose: Froch
Pinkest trousers: Groves
Loudest voice: Froch
Biggest steak: Groves
Loves Eddie the most: Froch
Best trainer: Froch
Biggest ego: Froch
Hardest puncher: Groves
Oldest by 11 years: Froch
Baddest breath: Groves
Wound up to eff: Froch
Fastest feet: Groves
Most miles on clock: Froch
Biggest mentalist: Froch
Winner: Froch
Re: How I see them matching up
Posted: 21 Nov 2013, 12:15
by keithmoonhangover
TopGun wrote:
Power: Groves
