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Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 17:58
by Giancarlo
Frazier would knock him senseless.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 21:29
by witherspoon
George Groves would kick SOG's butt all night long.
And to make the post relevant to BOTP,
Marlon Starling beats The Golden Boy at welterweight.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 21:34
by yancey
1969 Frazier has a viable (35-40%) of overcoming the very bad stylistic match up against '73 Foreman, staying tight and taking George out to deep water and drowning his butt.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 21:50
by thunderfromdownunder
I think helenius deserved the decision against chisora.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 22:06
by Seamus
Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 22:09
by BoxBuzz
Aaron Pryor...was majority management and luck.....and then a pretty good fighter.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 01 Dec 2013, 22:35
by Seamus
Compare Johnson's 5 or 6 best wins with the best 5 or 6 guys he didn't give title shots to.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 02 Dec 2013, 01:31
by scallum
Louis is not Top 5
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 02 Dec 2013, 03:21
by witherspoon
Seamus wrote:Compare Johnson's 5 or 6 best wins with the best 5 or 6 guys he didn't give title shots to.
Kind of ironic that the 'color/colour line' probably benefited Johnson more than any other champion.
I believe that Pernell Whitaker did not deserve to win his first fight with JLR.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 03 Dec 2013, 16:15
by King Carlos
BarryWashington wrote:Can't see it.
I also believe Gamboa would have beaten Sal Sanchez in a scheduled 12 rounder. Too much speed and foot speed
Someone as aggressive and open as Gamboa seems like he'd be ideal for a poised counter-puncher like Sanchez. I don't understand this one. Just speed? That's it?
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 01:09
by knurak
I'll take a prime Lennox Lewis over any heavyweight that retired in the '70s or earlier.
(This one isn't BOTP, but...) Guillermo Rigondeaux is #2 on my pound-for-pound list.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 03:45
by witherspoon
BarryWashington wrote:Wow. Witherspoon you better leave the font small w/that one. 10-1-1, Whitaker
Barry, it's not the first time I have expressed that opinion on these boards. For the record, the rematch is as close to perfection as I have ever seen.
I will watch the fight again when I have time, and I suspect that I will find that I am mistaken.
I mean, if just one single poster half agreed with me, I would be satisfied but I'm out in the cold on this one.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 04:10
by SaadOffTheDeck
It's impossible to find 6 rounds for Ramirez, let alone seven. It wasn't any closer than the rematch.
As for Wlad/Frazier, Joe would love Wlad to try and hold him. Unlike Povetkin, Frazier can fight in the clinch.
I post so much, my opinions are all known.
Most overrated: Ricardo Lopez and I think Carbajal or Gonzalez would have beaten him.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 04:52
by knurak
Seamus wrote:Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.
Why do you think that?
I'd put him ahead of Louis and Dempsey on an all-time list.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 04 Dec 2013, 11:04
by p4p1
knurak wrote:Seamus wrote:Jack Johnson is the most overrated fighter in the history of boxing.
Why do you think that?
I'd put him ahead of Louis and Dempsey on an all-time list.
I would say it is because he didn't fight a few guys who were arguably the best HWs of his time.
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 05 Dec 2013, 14:31
by elmersalsa
BarryWashington wrote:Can't see it.
I also believe Gamboa would have beaten Sal Sanchez in a scheduled 12 rounder. Too much speed and foot speed
Ain't no fighter today beat the great Salvador Sanchez, my brother. Gamboa would not even beat the great Eusebio Pedroza
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 05 Dec 2013, 16:47
by keithmoonhangover
BarryWashington wrote:I think Frazier would have a lot of trouble against Wlad.
Frazier definitely has a chance, but if a referee similar to the one in the Povetkin fight shows up then I can see Wlad winning in the most spoiler style possible.
Frazier would do well with getting underneath Wlad K's punches (and probably wouldn't have to worry about uppercuts) but I think Wlad would turn out nd hold like crazy and "win" in the most negative way possible.
I'd go along with that. Wlad has a bad style for Joe, especially with Manny Stewart in his corner
Re: Against the Grain Opinions
Posted: 05 Dec 2013, 17:00
by keithmoonhangover
I'm guessing these are against the grain.
I'd take prime Vitali over prime Bowe, barring injuries.
Ketchel over Robinson.
Benny Leonard over Duran.
Joe Bugner over Foreman.