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Quarry easily, he was far too tough for Corrie to one-shot and Jerry would push a pace that would have Sanders completely exhausted after two rounds. Mid-round stoppage for Quarry.

I don't need to repeat what Saad just said...but it smacks of reality to me.

Quarry TKO 7

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Quarry easily, he was far too tough for Corrie to one-shot and Jerry would push a pace that would have Sanders completely exhausted after two rounds. Mid-round stoppage for Quarry.

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I guess very, very occasionally Sanders lands the lottery winner but 19 times out of 20 or 99 times out of 100 Quarry works it out exactly as has been posted above.

My take is that Quarry should be favored, but its hardly a given. He was decked and cut frequently throughout his career, while Sanders was the much larger man, with very fast hands, south paw style, and a lot of power. Sure Jerry handled bigger stronger harder hitting men before, ie, Mathis, Shavers, Lyle, etc. But I don't think any of those guys had Sanders hand speed, and I don't believe any of them were south paws. I'll give quarry the nod based on legacy and ring smarts, but Sanders shouldn't be made to be a heavy under dog by any means.

How often was Quarry decked? I don't think it was very often. Certainly not frequently.
Don't see Sanders' handspeed as much of a factor. He didn't throw many combinations or use his jab much. He was a one trick pony. About all Quarry would have to worry about is Sanders left.

If Quarry fought a smart fight, he would just box him and win an easy decision. If he tried to slug it it out, it would harder but he would still win.

The Corrie Sanders love fest is so 2012...

Ambling Alp II wrote:How often was Quarry decked? I don't think it was very often. Certainly not frequently.
Don't see Sanders' handspeed as much of a factor. He didn't throw many combinations or use his jab much. He was a one trick pony. About all Quarry would have to worry about is Sanders left.

If Quarry fought a smart fight, he would just box him and win an easy decision. If he tried to slug it it out, it would harder but he would still win.

I counted roughly around 6-7 times, but he was decked by an aged Chuvalo and failed to make the count. Arguably gifted twice against a past-it Patterson and beaten by a deteriorated Machen. He did well against slow moving plotters and was an excellent contender. But I don't know how many left handed fighters he ever faced, and Joe Frazier was the only real good left hooker that I can think of whom he fought. Joe hammered him twice, including once in 1974 when he was slipping. Sanders would have had about 35 lbs in weight him, along with 4 inches in height and a lot of power. He wasn't the prettiest fighter to watch and I have already given Quarry the edge in skill. But I think Corrie's handspeed would play a factor as would the size, power and south paw stance. Again, I'll agree with you on Quarry that he should be favored on the basis of legacy and skill, but I don't see this as a one sided affair at all.

Besides chuvalo, who were the other knockdowns against? Not saying they didn't happen, I just don't recall them. Just kind of curious.
(I don't think 6 or 7 times is a lot considering how many fights he had and that he fought a lot of good competition.)
He was couinted out against Chuvalo but that was because he mistook the referee's count. It was his own fault, but it wasn't because he was in lala land. The bottom line is that Quarry had a good chin.

Both of the Patterson fights were close, but I have never heard anyone say they were gifts. Patterson was not that far past his prime.
Machen was a bit past his prime, but Quarry probably had not reached his. Besides, Machen was a completely different fighter than Sanders anyway.

Don't see how Sanders handspeed would be that much of a factor. I don't think it was really that fast; certainly not as fast as Patterson. Sure Sanders would have got some shots in, but it's not like he would be landing lightining quick combinations.

I don't know of any southpaws that Quarry faced, but I don't think it would be that big of a deal. Sanders was almost completely one dimensional and Quarry would easily adapt.

I agree that Quarry was good against slow moving plodders; which is basically what Sanders was. He certainly was not fast on his feet.

Quarry's hands were faster than Sanders, his chin was better, he hit as hard, he was in much better shape. The only edge I'd give Corrie is he didn't bleed as easily. I never understand citing a weight advantage for a fat guy.

Il Duce wrote:Best vs. Best

I'll take Corrie Sanders to bust up Jerry Quarry, and win by a TKO 10.

Man I would make you a poor man if you're that sloppy with your betting.

....on the other hand...if that's typical of a bet you would take, you are probably long since cleaned out.

I wouldn't want your last nickel....just because I could take it.

It wouldn't be sportin'.

Well if we are talking golf, Sanders wins.

Quarry is simply better than you give him credit for.

A = Wrong

B = Correct

C = Wrong

Okay, one out of three is not so bad, when we knows who said it.

Woller

Ambling Alp II wrote:Besides chuvalo, who were the other knockdowns against? Not saying they didn't happen, I just don't recall them. Just kind of curious.
(I don't think 6 or 7 times is a lot considering how many fights he had and that he fought a lot of good competition.)
He was couinted out against Chuvalo but that was because he mistook the referee's count. It was his own fault, but it wasn't because he was in lala land. The bottom line is that Quarry had a good chin.

Both of the Patterson fights were close, but I have never heard anyone say they were gifts. Patterson was not that far past his prime.
Machen was a bit past his prime, but Quarry probably had not reached his. Besides, Machen was a completely different fighter than Sanders anyway.

Don't see how Sanders handspeed would be that much of a factor. I don't think it was really that fast; certainly not as fast as Patterson. Sure Sanders would have got some shots in, but it's not like he would be landing lightining quick combinations.

I don't know of any southpaws that Quarry faced, but I don't think it would be that big of a deal. Sanders was almost completely one dimensional and Quarry would easily adapt.

I agree that Quarry was good against slow moving plodders; which is basically what Sanders was. He certainly was not fast on his feet.

Go to Quarry's record on boxrec, and you can count the knockdowns. I included the one where he miscalculated the count against Chuvalo. Paterson was still a very good win, despite being past it, but both fights were disputed decisions ( I didn't see them. ) Like I said, I would favor Quarry too. Just don't think it should be a given.

Sanders was a fringe contender level fighter. Had very good handspeed and power with a sound offensive arsenal, but his conditioning and defense (throughout his entire career) were flat-out mediocre. He also, despite being 6'4, was not naturally a super HW like some portray. In tip top shape he was around 210; the 225 and above he fought at for much of his career included a good deal of fat.
Even if he managed to catch Jerry early, Quarry had an iron jaw and would come back to kick a fatiguing Sanders's a$$ to a mid-rounds stoppage, like the Mac Foster fight.

I counted 6 knockdowns. Early in his career, he was knocked down against Ray Crear, 2x vs Al Jones, and against Patterson. Laster he was knocked down (and offically out) vs Chuvalo in 1969, and then 5 years later vs Joe Alexander. He only lost one of these fights.

4 of the 6 were in the first two years of career. Really, given the that he had over 60 fights and fought tough competition (Frazier 2x, Ali 2x, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Patterson, Mac Foster etc.), that isn't much at all. He did hurt from time to time, but that was usually from an accumiliation of blows. If anything, I would say he had a better chin than Sanders who got knocked out by Nate Tubbs and stopped by Rahman.

I do agree that Sanders would have an outside chance. Quarry did have his limitations; he did occasionally cut, and occasionally had stamina problems. I would say Quarry would win something like 4 out 5 times. Maybe we aren't that far apart.

Jerry Quarry stopped Jack Bodell who was as clumsy a southpaw you could ever want to see. The fight was so short that Jerry maybe never noticed.

Woller

Ambling Alp II wrote:I counted 6 knockdowns. Early in his career, he was knocked down against Ray Crear, 2x vs Al Jones, and against Patterson. Laster he was knocked down (and offically out) vs Chuvalo in 1969, and then 5 years later vs Joe Alexander. He only lost one of these fights.

4 of the 6 were in the first two years of career. Really, given the that he had over 60 fights and fought tough competition (Frazier 2x, Ali 2x, Norton, Lyle, Shavers, Patterson, Mac Foster etc.), that isn't much at all. He did hurt from time to time, but that was usually from an accumiliation of blows. If anything, I would say he had a better chin than Sanders who got knocked out by Nate Tubbs and stopped by Rahman.

I do agree that Sanders would have an outside chance. Quarry did have his limitations; he did occasionally cut, and occasionally had stamina problems. I would say Quarry would win something like 4 out 5 times. Maybe we aren't that far apart.

I agree with everything you say, and yes I think we're on the same page.

Il Duce wrote:

Woller wrote:Jerry Quarry stopped Jack Bodell who was as clumsy a southpaw you could ever want to see. The fight was so short that Jerry maybe never noticed.

Woller

I stand corrected...........

Jack Bodell and James J. Woody

You stand only somewhat corrected.....there are a whole pile of things left uncorrected in your threads.....you may need to sit down.

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I see a pattern here.

Il Duce.....I'm just your straight man. Cmon let's take it on the road!

No, more like Roy & Trigger given the way he is riding you.