Gil Clancy was the trainer of Emile Griffith for a long time, and several others for relatively short periods of time. He had Foreman for a while, and others for even a shorter amount of time.
My question is, besides Griffith, who did Glancy train for a long period of time?
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 15 Dec 2013, 19:18
by BoxBuzz
How long was he with DLH?
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 15 Dec 2013, 20:33
by yancey
I don't know about a "long period" of time, but I do know Clancy was brought in to help Quarry prepare for the first Frazier fight. He was in Jerry's corner that night in '69.
He was also in the corner of Manuel Ramos in his fight with Frazier almost exactly a year earlier.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 16 Dec 2013, 00:41
by CNorkusJr
Gil was a prominant force in the corners of many fighters, but I think I know why you are asking. Gil will be best known with being teamed with Howie Albert in training Emile Griffith. He also had time with Jerry Quarry when I first met him training Jerry for Frazier and Alexander in New York. Gil can be considered a New York-based trainer. His first guy he had I remember my father saying to me was Ralph"Tiger"Jones. But I think the gist of your question means long-term.
Gil worked as a "assistant" to many other main attached trainers to fighters Gerry Cooney, Johnny Persol, Harold Weston Jr and Tom Bethea. I heard people say he was attached to the corners of Foreman, Ali and Frazier but I am not sure when or what limited bouts they were. I do remember him getting mentioned with De La Hoya one time. Ken Buchanen comes to mind too. All these fighters had their own trainers but Gil came aboard as a great influence and brought a positive mind-set into these camps. There he found work in the Ring before moving to the microphone, and subsequently the Intl Box HOF.
I'm sure he worked with countless other young fighters in gyms who didnt get to the big stage, but he always welcomed young boxers coming to him asking questions.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 13:16
by Ambling Alp II
A few things worth mentioning:
Clancy was in Cooney's corner for the Foreman fight, but I believe that was the only time.
He was in DLH corner for the Trinidad fight, but I believe that was the only time. He certainly didn't work for DLH for a long time.
I also did a little digging and found out a few things:
He trained Charlie Green for awhile (not sure how long), a heavyweight who never made it big.
He and Dundee sometimes assisted each other in their early days. Clancy was not the chief second, but was in Ali (Clay's) corner in his fight with Sonny Banks.
I had also occasionally heard that worked for Frazier. So I looked at Frazier's autobiography, and he mentions Clancy, but never says Clancy worked for him.
He did work for Bonavena for atleast one fight, but not for a long time.
He worked for Rodrigo Valdes for awhile, but I'm not sure how long.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 19:59
by CNorkusJr
Il Duce wrote:Gil Clancy handled Argentinian Light-Heavyweight - Jorge Ahumada.
He also worked with Jerry Quarry prior to his bout with Earnie Shavers.
He managed Harold Weston Jr. from 'Day One'.
Gil was a 'hired gun' for many fighters before a big bout.
Gil Clancy and Emile Griffith
I believe the other guy in the picture is Howie Albert.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 22:14
by hhascup
Il Duce wrote:Gil Clancy handled Argentinian Light-Heavyweight - Jorge Ahumada.
He also worked with Jerry Quarry prior to his bout with Earnie Shavers.
He managed Harold Weston Jr. from 'Day One'.
Gil was a 'hired gun' for many fighters before a big bout.
Gil Clancy and Emile Griffith
Seeing all 3 of these guys again bring tears to my eyes as I gave Eulogy's and the Bell Ceremony at all their funerals!
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 22:48
by pbchron
Clancy also worked with Ralph "Tiger" Jones as a trainer for many years.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 Dec 2013, 22:55
by hhascup
pbchron wrote:Clancy also worked with Ralph "Tiger" Jones as a trainer for many years.
He was Gil's 1st Big Time Fighter!
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 15 May 2021, 21:51
by boxresearcher
Hello all,
I have a kind of long-shot question. You know the photo, above, of Emile Griffith, Gil Clancy and Howie Albert? I am doing some research and I want to know the date this photo was published and what magazine it was published in.
I believe it was taken for and published in one of the weeklies like the Saturday Evening Post and I don't know if the article was about Griffith or about boxing in general (possibly about Griffith winning the Golden Globes), but there are many other photos accompanying the article, most of anonymous young boxers. My guess on dates is 1958 - 1962.
ANY help would be appreciated!!
MANY thanks!
Craig Klose
585.307.1268
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 17 May 2021, 13:07
by Caractacus
Gil Clancy was big on Forest Ward
whom he thought had the potential to be a great fighter.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 18 May 2021, 19:22
by Caractacus
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 19 May 2021, 12:44
by Caractacus
anyone know why ESPN archive staff put footage of Tex Cobb vrs Earnie Shavers in there ?
Gil Clancy neither trained Cobb or Shavers at anytime in their careers as far as I know.
maybe someone on the ESPN production staff mistaken Cobb for Quarry ?
They must have hired people who know nothing about Boxing to put together some of their shows.
also did you notice they had also removed Howard Cosell's voice from the Foreman vrs Lyle footage
and re-placed in with Bob Sheridan re-dubbing it over pretending he was there live at ringside ?
Caractacus wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 13:07
Gil Clancy was big on Forest Ward
whom he thought had the potential to be a great fighter.
Remember when Clancy rejected Holmes in 1972? Larry, who was getting ready to turn pro, was courting Clancy as a trainer. Gil turned him down because, allegedly, Holmes was too skinny in the hips and legs. Clancy believed that Holmes's physique would render him permanently vulnerable to being knocked off his feet.
Clancy's decision has to rank up there among the worst judgments ever made in boxing history. Kind of like that music guy in England who rejected the chance to manage/promote the Beatles before they got famous.
- Ali more like the Beatles and Lar like Boy George, but even Ali needed Uncle Tom Joe to front him $ for training and household expenses that propped him up for an all time Fight of the Century whoopin' by Joe so Ali could collect the first of his career payday purses. Tubsy Lar was still skinny when he was obliterated by Bobick in the Olympic Trails, the Bronze Medalist becoming a top undefeated contender that the fading Ali ducked just before Leon whooped him a new one.
Boxrec is your friend here, so you can read the first page of Lar's dubious career as follows: After retiring as a boxer, Butler worked as a guard at a county jail and trained boxers in Easton, Pennsylvania. Butler introduced Larry Holmes to the sport and trained him through the early portions of his professional career.
Butler had a five-year managerial contract with Holmes, dated March 21, 1973, the day of Holmes' pro debut.
In December 1973, Butler entered into a contract with Don King under which the two men would be co-managers of Holmes, sharing the manager's end of the purses as 50-50 partners.
"I never got any money from the contract with Don King," Butler told Jack Newfield, author of The Life and Crimes of Don King: The Shame of Boxing in America. "Don was pushing me out, telling Larry I didn't know anything, that I didn't have the right connections to move him up."
By the middle of 1975, Butler was completely eased out of the picture. In October 1975, Butler filed a lawsuit against Holmes for breach of contract. As soon as he filed the lawsuit, Butler said, he began receiving threatening and harassing phone calls in the middle of the night. He also accused King of altering their 1973 contract and forging Butler's name to a new contract.
"I was depressed for a long time over I how got dumped," Butler told Newfield. [1
Just as Ali needed Joe to create genuine fan interest, Lar needed the regrettable DKing Great White Hope promo vs Cooney to earn his first decent purse, but even after that he was reduced to small venues and purses and frequently booed as a single belt holder later stripped of his WBC when he elected to host the IBF debut of Bob Lee, a crook's crook who was later convicted and confined in the Big House.
Lar's record against standing champs holding a title won in the ring is a miserable 0-6, 0 KOs, or you could look it up as Casey Stengal was want to say. Norton was a WBC administrative promotion title although many did consider him the WBC champ after he whooped Ali in Norton's sole title challenge at that point. Even so, Lar finally won by the sparest of a single point of the 855 points awarded during the scoring of the Norton fight, a 0.0012 margin of vapid victory vapors as it were. Kenny got $2+mil compared to Lar $300K who was heavily booed, so it's no wonder Lar ended his career in a hissy fit against Butterbean who mocked him repeatedly and knocked him down just before end of the fight where Tubsy was lucky he wasn't TKOed when he fled from the refs assessment to run out the bell...pheeew...
I will say this about Lar, he's an investment plodder who invested what he could in his hometown real estate that has made him a minor multimillionaire and local icon, finally in a place where he's numero uno, so all's good that ends good in boxing faerytales
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 19 May 2021, 19:53
by Caractacus
fight manager Billy McCarney turned down Jack Dempsey flat early in Dempsey's career because he felt insulted someone would fight
under the name of the great Middle-weight Jack Dempsey.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 19 May 2021, 20:22
by Caractacus
Gil Clancey trained HW Alex Miteff
when he fought Cassius Clay,
.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 28 Aug 2024, 18:52
by Expug
Great boxing figure and trainer. One thing about him though, I remember thinking he left Quarry in there too long against Norton. Jerry took slot of unnecessary shots in that bout. Haven’t watched it in years but that was the impression
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 29 Aug 2024, 04:10
by bennie
Clancy worked with Ken Buchanan for a few of his New York fights, after Buchanan had fallen out with manager and trainer Eddie Thomas. Clancy was in the corner when Buchanan lost his world lightweight title to Roberto Duran at Madison Square Garden in June 1972.
Caractacus wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 13:07
Gil Clancy was big on Forest Ward
whom he thought had the potential to be a great fighter.
Remember when Clancy rejected Holmes in 1972? Larry, who was getting ready to turn pro, was courting Clancy as a trainer. Gil turned him down because, allegedly, Holmes was too skinny in the hips and legs. Clancy believed that Holmes's physique would render him permanently vulnerable to being knocked off his feet.
Clancy's decision has to rank up there among the worst judgments ever made in boxing history. Kind of like that music guy in England who rejected the chance to manage/promote the Beatles before they got famous.
- Ali more like the Beatles and Lar like Boy George, but even Ali needed Uncle Tom Joe to front him $ for training and household expenses that propped him up for an all time Fight of the Century whoopin' by Joe so Ali could collect the first of his career payday purses. Tubsy Lar was still skinny when he was obliterated by Bobick in the Olympic Trails, the Bronze Medalist becoming a top undefeated contender that the fading Ali ducked just before Leon whooped him a new one.
Boxrec is your friend here, so you can read the first page of Lar's dubious career as follows: After retiring as a boxer, Butler worked as a guard at a county jail and trained boxers in Easton, Pennsylvania. Butler introduced Larry Holmes to the sport and trained him through the early portions of his professional career.
Butler had a five-year managerial contract with Holmes, dated March 21, 1973, the day of Holmes' pro debut.
In December 1973, Butler entered into a contract with Don King under which the two men would be co-managers of Holmes, sharing the manager's end of the purses as 50-50 partners.
"I never got any money from the contract with Don King," Butler told Jack Newfield, author of The Life and Crimes of Don King: The Shame of Boxing in America. "Don was pushing me out, telling Larry I didn't know anything, that I didn't have the right connections to move him up."
By the middle of 1975, Butler was completely eased out of the picture. In October 1975, Butler filed a lawsuit against Holmes for breach of contract. As soon as he filed the lawsuit, Butler said, he began receiving threatening and harassing phone calls in the middle of the night. He also accused King of altering their 1973 contract and forging Butler's name to a new contract.
"I was depressed for a long time over I how got dumped," Butler told Newfield. [1
Just as Ali needed Joe to create genuine fan interest, Lar needed the regrettable DKing Great White Hope promo vs Cooney to earn his first decent purse, but even after that he was reduced to small venues and purses and frequently booed as a single belt holder later stripped of his WBC when he elected to host the IBF debut of Bob Lee, a crook's crook who was later convicted and confined in the Big House.
Lar's record against standing champs holding a title won in the ring is a miserable 0-6, 0 KOs, or you could look it up as Casey Stengal was want to say. Norton was a WBC administrative promotion title although many did consider him the WBC champ after he whooped Ali in Norton's sole title challenge at that point. Even so, Lar finally won by the sparest of a single point of the 855 points awarded during the scoring of the Norton fight, a 0.0012 margin of vapid victory vapors as it were. Kenny got $2+mil compared to Lar $300K who was heavily booed, so it's no wonder Lar ended his career in a hissy fit against Butterbean who mocked him repeatedly and knocked him down just before end of the fight where Tubsy was lucky he wasn't TKOed when he fled from the refs assessment to run out the bell...pheeew...
I will say this about Lar, he's an investment plodder who invested what he could in his hometown real estate that has made him a minor multimillionaire and local icon, finally in a place where he's numero uno, so all's good that ends good in boxing faerytales
every time you put 'Lar's' name in your mouth, you make a knt of yourself
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 29 Aug 2024, 11:44
by Tony1244
Clancy let Frazier-Quarry 2 go on way too long. I believe he was in Quarry's corner for his surprise wins over Lyle and Shavers in 1973. He trained Foreman in the mid 1970s. I remember him screaming bloody murder at George before the 12th round against Jimmy Young. It didn't help.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 29 Aug 2024, 12:28
by Caractacus
Speaking of Ernie Butler,
I wonder why Earnie Shavers didn't even barely mention Ritchie Giachetti in his book ?
( Only that he had been Holmes trainer when Shavers sparred with him in 1973)
according to Ritchie Giachetti, he started to train Earnie Shavers as soon
as Don King got ahold of him in 1973.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 03:29
by bennie
Gil was a brilliant commentator, probably the best I've ever heard.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 06:18
by JC
bennie wrote: ↑30 Aug 2024, 03:29
Gil was a brilliant commentator, probably the best I've ever heard.
Interesting to hear you say that, bennie. I was watching the Holyfield vs Cooper a while back and I remember thinking Clancy's commentary was some of the best/most enjoyable I'd heard.
Off topic, but Hagler on Toney vs Mccallum I is another of my favourites.
Remember when Clancy rejected Holmes in 1972? Larry, who was getting ready to turn pro, was courting Clancy as a trainer. Gil turned him down because, allegedly, Holmes was too skinny in the hips and legs. Clancy believed that Holmes's physique would render him permanently vulnerable to being knocked off his feet.
Clancy's decision has to rank up there among the worst judgments ever made in boxing history. Kind of like that music guy in England who rejected the chance to manage/promote the Beatles before they got famous.
- Ali more like the Beatles and Lar like Boy George, but even Ali needed Uncle Tom Joe to front him $ for training and household expenses that propped him up for an all time Fight of the Century whoopin' by Joe so Ali could collect the first of his career payday purses. Tubsy Lar was still skinny when he was obliterated by Bobick in the Olympic Trails, the Bronze Medalist becoming a top undefeated contender that the fading Ali ducked just before Leon whooped him a new one.
Boxrec is your friend here, so you can read the first page of Lar's dubious career as follows: After retiring as a boxer, Butler worked as a guard at a county jail and trained boxers in Easton, Pennsylvania. Butler introduced Larry Holmes to the sport and trained him through the early portions of his professional career.
Butler had a five-year managerial contract with Holmes, dated March 21, 1973, the day of Holmes' pro debut.
In December 1973, Butler entered into a contract with Don King under which the two men would be co-managers of Holmes, sharing the manager's end of the purses as 50-50 partners.
"I never got any money from the contract with Don King," Butler told Jack Newfield, author of The Life and Crimes of Don King: The Shame of Boxing in America. "Don was pushing me out, telling Larry I didn't know anything, that I didn't have the right connections to move him up."
By the middle of 1975, Butler was completely eased out of the picture. In October 1975, Butler filed a lawsuit against Holmes for breach of contract. As soon as he filed the lawsuit, Butler said, he began receiving threatening and harassing phone calls in the middle of the night. He also accused King of altering their 1973 contract and forging Butler's name to a new contract.
"I was depressed for a long time over I how got dumped," Butler told Newfield. [1
Just as Ali needed Joe to create genuine fan interest, Lar needed the regrettable DKing Great White Hope promo vs Cooney to earn his first decent purse, but even after that he was reduced to small venues and purses and frequently booed as a single belt holder later stripped of his WBC when he elected to host the IBF debut of Bob Lee, a crook's crook who was later convicted and confined in the Big House.
Lar's record against standing champs holding a title won in the ring is a miserable 0-6, 0 KOs, or you could look it up as Casey Stengal was want to say. Norton was a WBC administrative promotion title although many did consider him the WBC champ after he whooped Ali in Norton's sole title challenge at that point. Even so, Lar finally won by the sparest of a single point of the 855 points awarded during the scoring of the Norton fight, a 0.0012 margin of vapid victory vapors as it were. Kenny got $2+mil compared to Lar $300K who was heavily booed, so it's no wonder Lar ended his career in a hissy fit against Butterbean who mocked him repeatedly and knocked him down just before end of the fight where Tubsy was lucky he wasn't TKOed when he fled from the refs assessment to run out the bell...pheeew...
I will say this about Lar, he's an investment plodder who invested what he could in his hometown real estate that has made him a minor multimillionaire and local icon, finally in a place where he's numero uno, so all's good that ends good in boxing faerytales
every time you put 'Lar's' name in your mouth, you make a knt of yourself
Bizzare isn't it, on every level.
Re: Gil Clancy Question
Posted: 30 Aug 2024, 11:37
by Caractacus
difficult to believe that Gil Clancy had rejected Holmes because his legs were 'too skinny"
some of the best HW Champions had 'pipe-stem" legs,
i.e Bob Fitzsimmons, Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey.
