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1) there was no "Cassius Clay" in 1970. His name is Muhammad Ali.

2) I've updated Bunky Akins boxrec vitals to include the birth date and height you provided. Thank you.

3) When Akins beat Hodges in the Amateurs it was only his 4th amateur fight and Hodges was the reigning national champion.

Shavers had a funny way of making people change professions.

DaveyMac wrote:
2) I've updated Bunky Akins boxrec vitals to include the birth date and height you provided. Thank you

Took the info out. The source cannot be relied upon.

That's "Bill Slayton" and not Bill Slater.

wouter wrote:

DaveyMac wrote:
2) I've updated Bunky Akins boxrec vitals to include the birth date and height you provided. Thank you

Took the info out. The source cannot be relied upon.

I had confirmed the height independently, and the article said he was 22 so I bought the 3-22-1947 birth date although I wasn't able to confirm it or discredit it.
I feel confident Akins was born in '47 or possibly late '46.

Actually the Pasadena paper on 10 Mar 1968 says he is 6-1 1/2 Duce, but the Fresno paper in '69 says he is 6-2.

The 10 Mar 1968 says he is 22, so now I don't think the 3-22-1947 birth date is right either. I'm trying to find a good one. What was your source for that birth date?

Seems Bunky got in some trouble after boxing. Found this story from Pasadena, 24 Sep 1973. They say he is 28 here so definitely not born 5-22-1947.




I also found Bunky's father's obit from May 1974. Bunky is said to be living in Inglewood at the time. The family had moved to Pasadena 26 years before from Georgia which explains why Herman "Bunky" Akins isn't in the California birth records, he was born in Georgia and moved to California at age 2 or 3.

No offense Il Duce, in fact, despite the fact I think your anti-Clay Ali shit is ruining this board I think you are a real fan who could contribute a lot if you were not so gripped by hatred. But the facts are, although right about the height, Wouter is 100% correct, you have made an ass out of me with a 100% made up birth date for this man.

Whatever else your agenda is, Bunky Akins is a real person. That is why I do the research I do. Not because I hate Ali or anyone else, but because I believe Bunky Akins and 50,000 other fighters deserve to have their deeds and records brought to life. That's why boxrec was started, so that all of these folks would not be lost.

You could be a great help, but I have to got with Wouter on this one, much to my embarrassment, you are not a reliable source. I'm sorry.

You just miss man. It's your hatred that hold you back. Let it go brother.

Il Duce wrote:

DaveyMac wrote:No offense Il Duce, in fact, despite the fact I think your anti-Clay Ali poo is ruining this board I think you are a real fan who could contribute a lot if you were not so gripped by hatred. But the facts are, although right about the height, Wouter is 100% correct, you have made an ass out of me with a 100% made up birth date for this man.

Whatever else your agenda is, Bunky Akins is a real person. That is why I do the research I do. Not because I hate Ali or anyone else, but because I believe Bunky Akins and 50,000 other fighters deserve to have their deeds and records brought to life. That's why boxrec was started, so that all of these folks would not be lost.

You could be a great help, but I have to got with Wouter on this one, much to my embarrassment, you are not a reliable source. I'm sorry.

You just miss man. It's your hatred that hold you back. Let it go brother.

Davey Mac, you're taking this much too personal.

I posted 'Bunky' Akins height, as per 'the Newspaper Articles'. He was listed at 6' 1 1/2" and later at 6' 2".

See if you can follow this

In June 1969 {'The Fresno Bee' Newspaper Article} he was listed as Age 22 by Manager - Pat DiFuria out of Fresno.

Herman 'Bunky' Akins had posted a March {Month birth date} at the 1968 National Golden Gloves.

Hence, if 'Bunky'' Akins was 22 in June 1969, and he posted a March birth date, then he was born in March 1947.

If I'm wrong, then Pat DiFuria and the 'The Fresno Bee' are wrong.

Dude. It's not personal. You stated his birthday was 22 Mar 1947 this is factually incorrect and you had no source. And it isn't the Jun 1969 article that says he is 22, it's the Jun 1968. Which also jives with the 1973 and 1974 articles.

In the end the point is you just made up a birth date for the guy. Why?

Il Duce wrote:Davey Mac

Either you can't read, or you do not know how to comprehend.......

June 18, 1969 - The Fresno Bee

'AKINS TURNS FROM STREET BRAWLS TO RING CAREER UNDER DIFURIA'........by Terry Betterton {Sportswriter}

The 22 year-old Pasadenan, with an impressive amateur record of 15-2 moved to Fresno just a 'Five' days ago.

Bunky Akins had '1' Pro Fight and '1' Knockout in Pasadena, before arriving in Fresno.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 6nW4FiXB5A

Where does that say he was born 3-22-1947?

Il Duce wrote:As reported by the Independent Star News in March 1968,

22 year-old Herman 'Bunky' Akins will compete in the National Golden Gloves
in Salt Lake City, Utah.

The tournament will take place on March 20, 21, 22 and 23.

'Bunky' Akins will plan to add on some weight, and hopes to also compete at
the National Championships in Toledo, Ohio in April and the Olympic Trials
in September.

The Pasadenan stands a good chance to make the 1968 U.S. Olympic Team.

Bunky also stated the he will turn Professional after the Olympics.

And btw, this is the article that says he was 22, the 1968 one.

Il Duce wrote:Question ?

I have posted more information on Herman 'Bunky' Akins than anybody ever........

And now you're questioning me.........'Que Pasa'

The questioning is simply to ascertain which parts of your 'information' are true and which parts you just made up.

Jewell was older than him as were his two other brothers Prince and Ulysses.

You still haven't answered, where did you get the birthdate 3-22-1947? What is the source?

Just say you made it up and let us move on.

More pure fantasy from The Duchess of Crapola.

This is what the report actually says of the 'fight'.

Just like old times, he spouted his poetry, made a prediction and even took an amiable knockdown after a flurry of punches by Akins. "Looks like we're going to see a knockdown," said Angelo Dundee, Clay's trainer who has seen the whole routine hundreds of times before. "He's feeling for a soft spot in the ring with his foot.' A few seconds later, Clay toppled to the canvas. He staggered to his feet at five and groped around the ring. "Nobody ever going to see that happen in a real fight," he told Dundee back in the corner at the end of the round, "So I let folks see how it would look once in a while when I'm training.

Why do you do this? Your "synopsis" is off kilter.....here are the genuine quotes.

You've really mucked up the facts.......and then you boldly add the real info in a hyper link....assuming no one will follow up.

READER BEWARE>>>>>>>IL DUCE IS A FICTION WRITER>>>>>WITH AN AGENDA...

LOL...here is the real info....complete with poor spelling.

Cassius Clay Rhymes Bonavena, Claims KO Again si By Nine NEW YORK (UPI)—Cassitis Clay has returned with a (homemade poem and a predic- j lion to the same ring where he last defended his heavyweight title nearly four years ago. After his first training session here tor his 15-round heavyweight bout with Oseair Bonavena on Dec. 7, Clay pursed his lips Monday and finished his latest rhyme: "Before round nine is out, the referee will jump and shout Thatttsss all fblks, this turkey is out." The fans began lining up more than an hour before his workout, and 700 paid a dollar apiece to watch him spar four minds, two each against Bobby Mashburn and Bunky Akins. They remembered htm as he once had been and came to see what he had become. He didn't disappoint them. Just like old times, he spouted his poetry, made i prediction and even, took an amiable knockdown after a flurry of punches by Akins. "Looks like we're going to see a knockdown," said Angelo Dundee, Clay's tirainer who has seen the whole routine hundreds of times before. "He's feeling for a soft spot in the ring with his foot.' A few seconds later, Clay toppled to the canvas. He staggered to his feet at five and groped around the ring. "Nobody ever going tp see that happen in a real fight," he told Dundee back in the corner at the end of.the round, "So I let folks see how it would look once in aiwhile when I'm training. 1 ' The 28-year-old Clay, who made a comeback with a three- round TKO over Jerry Quarry in October, warned "Bonavena done brought this on himself. He called me a black kangaroo and said he was going eo knock me out in 11 rounds. He should apologize if even dreamed such a thing. Who does he think he is? 'I'm the one who makes the predictions, not eight rounds or 10 but exactly nine. He brought it on himself and he'll never talk bad about no soul brother again. I hale fighters who talk too much."

Il Duce wrote:Correct

Clay toppled to the canvas. He staggered to his feet at '5', and groped around the Ring, looking for the
for the Top Rope Strand with his left Glove.

Sounds like a 'friggin' knockdown to me. What's it sound like to you ?

To anyone who knows anything about boxing (that obviously excludes you), it sounds like Ali playing for the crowd. As the real quote makes clear.

By the way, have you answered the question regarding why you made up that date of birth for Akins?

Il Duce.....when Ali bends over to tie his shoes.....you would qualify that as a clear KD.

Although if I was Ali, I'd be wonderin' what you're starin' at.

You think the Wepner shot was a KD.....you think Bonavena knocked him down. You think his easiest fights were "near losses".

You have a fanciful imagination.

Keep writin'. Slapstick may come back around.

yes....a knockdown is a knockdown

but what aint a knockdown, is not made one, simply on your proclamation.

There is plenty of evidence to support that the Wepner knockdown was a matter of shoe physics.

AND....the Bunky thing is clearly explained in the article. That you yourself have supplied.

You seem to want over and over to have it both ways.....on one hand you campaign hard to make Ali out to be a clown....but when he "clowns".....you want that to be a serious moment...so you can enjoy a fantasy moment.

I feel an Ali poem comin' on.

You be sufferin' from enough neurosis, to be nearly an example of psychosis.

One can only hope you do not experience the heartbreak of psoriasis, dandruff, or halitosis.

Il Duce wrote:The Good Doctor

You got that right, Muhammad Ali was a 'Clown'.

Oh, look I slipped after I got punched in the face by Joe Frazier in the 15th Round.

And you're a fekkin eejit with your stupid stories.

Duce, if you are willing to make up a birth date for this guy why would anyone believe any of your "facts"?

And really, I've been pretty patient, but this anti-Ali stuff is just spam at this point and is ruining this board. In any other forum I've been in basically all of your posts would be removed as spam.

Jewell Akins? Not THE J.A.? Was he named after the singer? Birds and the Bees guy?

I worked with him in Phoenix Az at the ol' Playboy Club there.

Il Duce wrote:

DaveyMac wrote:Duce, if you are willing to make up a birth date for this guy why would anyone believe any of your "facts"?

And really, I've been pretty patient, but this anti-Ali stuff is just spam at this point and is ruining this board. In any other forum I've been in basically all of your posts would be removed as spam.

Davey,

I've posted every Newspaper Article on Herman 'Bunky' Akins, and you call that 'SPAM'.

If you don't want to believe that he was Born in 1947, then it's your right to not accept it.

I'm trying to get a response from his brother Jewell Akins, to confirm the Date for you.

Jewell graduated from Cal State in May 1969, and signed on as a Free Agent with the Cincinnati Bengals
{AFL Football Team} before the 1969 Training Camp.

As you stated, Jewell was older than Herman, so let's see where this goes........

MERRY CHRISTMAS............

Here is an article {July 18, 1969} - Jewell Akins released by the Cincinnati Bengals.

Note: If Jewell Akins 'graduated' Pasadena High School in 1965, that would make him Age 22 in 1969.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... aT_JpiB2ew

You didn't say "1947" you said 3-22-1947, a date you clearly just made up as you have never once directly answered the question of what your source was.
The fact that you don't understand what is wrong with that is troubling.

All that being said, I'll also bet Bunny was born before 1947.

As for the absurd belief that even if he had knocked him down it would mean something. I have a friend, Frankie Rodriguez, while pitching for the Twins he once struck out Derek Jeter four times in a game. Does that mean he was a better ball player than Jeter? Hell no. And that was in a real game! Not in batting practice which is what a sparring session would be.

I mean it's just ridiculous. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because I thought you were deep down serious about doing research. But I now see you just make shit up and that frankly you don't care anything at all about these fighters or their lives or scholarship, you only care about continuing to destroy this board with endless hate-filled, racist, anti-Ali spam.
Grow up.

Davey Mac,

Yes.......... March 22, 1947

That's what I found.

Just because you say that it isn't so, doesn't mean it's not correct. There are many gaps to be filled here

You found it where? Where is the document you found that said Herman Akins was born 3-22-47? Where?

One interesting thing that did come out of this. In the search to find out what really was Herman "Bunky" Akins birth date I had to trace most of his family.
They were from Georgia and moved to California circa 1946. The kids seem to have all went to John Muir High School in Pasadena, which is famous because Jackie Robinson went there.

Herman's Mother was Lena Mae Sims and I found her Mother's obit. Her Mother was Amanda McGriff and I was surprised reading the obit because she was born in Cairo, Georgia, which is where Jackie Robinson was born. That seemed like a long coincidence to me and so I read the whole obit, and Amanda McGriff Sims sister was Mallie McGriff Robinson, who is the Mother of Jackie Robinson.

So Bunky's Mother was Jackie Robinson's first cousin, making Bunky a 1st Cousin, once removed of the immortal Jackie Robinson.

I’ve got a clip of his spar with Ali