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I was looking at his record and atleast two of the people he beat went onto be world champions. Just shows how important matchmaking, etc, is.

Seemed to nosedive after he joined Hatton. He went inactive and hwne he fought was against poor opposition until the Quigg fight.

Shame he couldn't fight Molitor after he lost that fight in Japan. I think he could have taken him at that point.

I think Rendall could have gone on to become a world champion if the right fights were made for him but I don't think the change of promoters helped. I also would have liked to see him change trainers, I don't think he'll improve any more with the Shinfield's. Do you think he'll beat Selby?

He lost pace after he lost to Nishioka in Tokyo.

Yes and no.

beating terrazas and martinez who went on to be title holders proved rendall's quality, but he had his chance to be THE champ in the division and fell just short.

Beating Molitor or others in the division would have been nice, but it wouldn't have made him champ until he defeated Nish.


I think Selby will likely stop Rendall late on.

funtime wrote:Yes and no.

beating terrazas and martinez who went on to be title holders proved rendall's quality, but he had his chance to be THE champ in the division and fell just short.

Beating Molitor or others in the division would have been nice, but it wouldn't have made him champ until he defeated Nish.


I think Selby will likely stop Rendall late on.

I agree but to be fair, Munroe didnt get the opportunities that some others get. I know he got a shot against Nishioka but he was a quality operator *I know Donaire whipped his ass though*... if he'd got a shot at some of the other belt holders at the time, he would of had a good shot I think. It shows you the silly situation regarding belts though lol.

He wasn't a big enough draw to get a world title fight at home, but he was unknown in the US so that ruled out a Juanma Lopez fight and by the time Molitor got his belt back Munroe was headed down the WBC route. Not sure what with Caballero, but I would guess that after beating Molitor, Mathebula was a mandatory and he only made one more defence after that fight. The glaring miss on his record is not fighting Bernard Dunne, which was down to either him or Frank Maloney.

Yes, his victory over both Martinez and especially Terrazas are very underated - he was excellent the night he beat Terrazas. I've liked him on his return, just don't think he'll be fresh enough for Selby, who has looked a world champion in waiting. Hope win, lose or draw Rendall sticks at it, still think he is fringe world level and you never know.... if Martinez can win and defend a world title - then maybe the opportunity might come again.

I wouldn't say unlucky, it was his choice to stay with the Shinfields (up there with the worst corner work I've seen) and Maloney. It's a shame as he really was a top 10 fighter. Nishioka was all wrong for him, especially with the shite "tactics" the Shinfields devised...."you've got to be busier" "throw more punches" pair of idiots, I always felt bad for Rendall watching the corner work. I can only imagine what it was like in the gym for him.

Naandrew wrote:Seemed to nosedive after he joined Hatton. He went inactive and hwne he fought was against poor opposition until the Quigg fight.

Shame he couldn't fight Molitor after he lost that fight in Japan. I think he could have taken him at that point.

Where does this myth that his career "nosedived" and he was "inactive" after he joined Hatton come from?

He fought five times in 17 months under HP and received the biggest paydays of his career. He's in boxing for the best opportunities and best purses for his family and that's what he received.

If he'd have beaten Scott Quigg, he would have kicked on to world level.

Unlucky? Not really, he accomplished what he was capable of. Gave us some great nights and was/is a consummate pro.

Let's keep it real; Martinez and Terrazas were/are never "world champions"; they're belt holders. Was Munroe unlucky not to pick up a belt? For sure; he just wasn't in the right place at the right time. But he got a shot at the genuine number 1 in the division at the time and gave a good account of himself. He should be very proud of that fact.

he got hammered by a pretty old, but very crafty nishioka.

nishioka's prime was long gone after injuries, tear ups etc and the Japanese star had been having difficulty pulling the trigger since about 2005 (following his move up in weight after an ageing 4 fight series vs thai standout veeraphol sahaprom aka nakornluang, a complete fighter and also a muay thai legend in 3 weights, surely one of the best athletes to succeed in 2 different sports). it took nishioka a few rounds and he looked very tired but he was able to stun munroe many times throughout their fight and munroe was seldom able to impose his size or youth despite being very game.

Autobarn wrote:he got hammered by a pretty old, but very crafty nishioka.

nishioka's prime was long gone after injuries, tear ups etc and the Japanese star had been having difficulty pulling the trigger since about 2005 (following his move up in weight after an ageing 4 fight series vs thai standout veeraphol sahaprom aka nakornluang, a complete fighter and also a muay thai legend in 3 weights, surely one of the best athletes to succeed in 2 different sports). it took nishioka a few rounds and he looked very tired but he was able to stun munroe many times throughout their fight and munroe was seldom able to impose his size or youth despite being very game.

Yeah Munroe's lack of pop has always been a major hindrance to him. I always felt he "pushed" his punches too much and with some correction in technique could have added more power to his game.

black panther wrote:Let's keep it real; Martinez and Terrazas were/are never "world champions"; they're belt holders. Was Munroe unlucky not to pick up a belt? For sure; he just wasn't in the right place at the right time. But he got a shot at the genuine number 1 in the division at the time and gave a good account of himself. He should be very proud of that fact.

agreed fully on terrazas, a decent fighter nonetheless who was fighting I think for the half arsed version of the title, the WBC silver, in narrow fights vs such faded names as montiel and mijares.

but kiko Martinez has really surprised me, going from a very limited looking European level guy living off a shock blowout of Bernard dunne, to a vastly improved, relentless slugger able to close the range on much taller opponents, Jonathon romero (then IBF champ) and mathebula (former IBF champ). I am very encouraged by this rise in form and look forward to him building some momentum toward the bigger fights.

Autobarn wrote:

black panther wrote:Let's keep it real; Martinez and Terrazas were/are never "world champions"; they're belt holders. Was Munroe unlucky not to pick up a belt? For sure; he just wasn't in the right place at the right time. But he got a shot at the genuine number 1 in the division at the time and gave a good account of himself. He should be very proud of that fact.

agreed fully on terrazas, a decent fighter nonetheless who was fighting I think for the half arsed version of the title, the WBC silver, in narrow fights vs such faded names as montiel and mijares.

but kiko Martinez has really surprised me, going from a very limited looking European level guy living off a shock blowout of Bernard dunne, to a vastly improved, relentless slugger able to close the range on much taller opponents, Jonathon romero (then IBF champ) and mathebula (former IBF champ). I am very encouraged by this rise in form and look forward to him building some momentum toward the bigger fights.

Although the scorecards suggest he "closely" beat Montiel that fight really wasn't close. Fernando was beaten up and how those cards were close were a mystery. I was calling for Montiel to retire after watching the final 8 rounds of it, surprised to see that he's shown a bit more life recently.

cool - I never bothered to watch terrazas v montiel. terrazas v little mijares was a close one, though.

He always trained 100%, but mentally something went out of him after the world title loss. Probably a combination of staleness and ageing. He was unlucky in the sense his world title opportunity didn't come in home soil. Talent-wise, at his peak he was probably as good as either Frampton or Quigg.

polecateddy wrote:He always trained 100%, but mentally something went out of him after the world title loss. Probably a combination of staleness and ageing. He was unlucky in the sense his world title opportunity didn't come in home soil. Talent-wise, at his peak he was probably as good as either Frampton or Quigg.

I'd say talent wise he was way behind Frampton and Quigg. What he did achieve, he achieved through hard work and determination.

mickey1975 wrote:

polecateddy wrote:He always trained 100%, but mentally something went out of him after the world title loss. Probably a combination of staleness and ageing. He was unlucky in the sense his world title opportunity didn't come in home soil. Talent-wise, at his peak he was probably as good as either Frampton or Quigg.

I'd say talent wise he was way behind Frampton and Quigg. What he did achieve, he achieved through hard work and determination.

Way behind? Bit early to be judging Quigg and Frampton's abilities. Both could easily lose by stoppage in their next fights and then suddenly they are overrated.

polecateddy wrote:

mickey1975 wrote:

polecateddy wrote:He always trained 100%, but mentally something went out of him after the world title loss. Probably a combination of staleness and ageing. He was unlucky in the sense his world title opportunity didn't come in home soil. Talent-wise, at his peak he was probably as good as either Frampton or Quigg.

I'd say talent wise he was way behind Frampton and Quigg. What he did achieve, he achieved through hard work and determination.

Way behind? Bit early to be judging Quigg and Frampton's abilities. Both could easily lose by stoppage in their next fights and then suddenly they are overrated.

Way behind, yes. I wouldn't have either losing to Andy Morris at any stage.

He should never have left little frank he listened to hattons shit then hatton kept him out for nearly a year then pops up with the fight with quigg for WBA shit just to get quigg the version of the world title

The Andy Morris fight was very early on. Munroe was a little like Steve Robinson in more ways than one, being a late developer. I don't think either Quigg or Frampton could have done any better than Munroe did against Nish in Japan.

polecateddy wrote:The Andy Morris fight was very early on. Munroe was a little like Steve Robinson in more ways than one, being a late developer. I don't think either Quigg or Frampton could have done any better than Munroe did against Nish in Japan.

I guess we will never know, but I would like to think both would put up a better show than Rendall. It was a very one sided fight that showed Munroe was out of his league. And you can't have it both ways, a 'Steve Robinson' style late developer excuses his loss to Morris but begs the question "how come Quigg beat him so comfortably?".

The reality is that Maloney dined out a lot on Rendall Munroe and his Shinfield stablemates, putting him on at the little Harvey Hadden leisure centre in Nottingham repeatedly.

Some nights were a success, such as Fewkes vs Gethin on the undercard, Matt Hatton etc. Other nights were a bit groundhog day, and served merely to televise local ticket sellers whom were not remotely of any interest to the wider TV audience.

However, with Sky's shake up, the continuation of that exposure was never going to last anyway.

Obviously it would 'appear' that Rendall's visibility suffered because of moving to Hatton, but he was in the very same boat as Maloney, sailing away from the Sky offices.

At least it sounds like at least he was being paid better under Hatton Promotions, and ultimately it was down to him to actually win to remain in contention.

I liked the little Munroe / Shinfield era at that moment in time, but can appreciate why others got a bit bored of it.