BoxRec

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (4.) Martin Murray
3. (2.) Ricky Burns
4. (6.) George Groves
5. (7.) Amir Khan
6. (8.) Tyson Fury
7. (5.) Darren Barker
8. (9.) Ola Afolabi
9. (10.) Kell Brook
10. (11.) Carl Frampton

11. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
12. (14.) Scott Quigg
13. (19.) Matthew Macklin
14. (15.) James DeGale
15. (16.) Dereck Chisora
16. (12.) Tony Bellew
17. (17.) Nathan Cleverly
18. (18.) Lee Selby
19. (20.) Lee Haskins
20. (RE.) Stuart Hall

21. (23.) Frankie Gavin
22. (21.) Brian Rose
23. (22.) Billy Joe Saunders
24. (24.) Anthony Crolla
25. (RE.) Enzo Maccarinelli
26. (26.) Stephen Smith
27. (27.) Darren Hamilton
28. (28.) Andy Lee (Irish)
29. (29.) Gavin Rees
30. (30.) Kid Galahad

Out - (3.) David Haye (Retired)
Out - (25.) Derry Mathews

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

surely Ronnie " The Shark" Clark merits a place in the top 10 atleast. big shock for me!!

Murray at 2?

He looked like garbage in his last fight and has not 1 notable world level win on his record.

funtime wrote:Murray at 2?

He looked like garbage in his last fight and has not 1 notable world level win on his record.

Horse thinks he beat Martinez and Sturm (I had him losing both fights, but they were very close) and it seems he ranks as such. To be fair, I think he's right in going beyond official results when formulating the rankings, as official results can paint a very distorted picture of what happened in the ring and how good someone is.

If you get beyond the fact that Murray didn't officially win either bout (and perhaps consider that someone like Burns didn't deserve to retain his title last time out), his case for number two is fairly strong imo, though he obviously didn't look good last time out.

crusader wrote:

funtime wrote:Murray at 2?

He looked like garbage in his last fight and has not 1 notable world level win on his record.

Horse thinks he beat Martinez and Sturm (I had him losing both fights, but they were very close) and it seems he ranks as such. To be fair, I think he's right in going beyond official results when formulating the rankings, as official results can paint a very distorted picture of what happened in the ring and how good someone is.

If you get beyond the fact that Murray didn't officially win either bout (and perhaps that someone like Burns didn't deserve to retain his title last time out), his case for number two is fairly strong imo, though he obviously didn't look good last time out.

In saying that Froch shouldn't be number 1.. He got a victory over Kessler in a very close fight.. I had Kessler by 1 round in a very close one. Then he is dominated by Groves and early stoppage. Murray never looked great in his last fight.. Burns the same.. I would probably have Groves at #1 Froch at #2 and Burns at #3 Degale at #4 and Murray at #5

I believe your card for Kessler-Froch II is highly questionable. It seemed like a competitive but very clear win for Froch, and I don't think anyone can make a strong case that it's unreasonable to act as if Froch legitimately won the bout. While the Groves-Froch stoppage was highly premature in my view, the former was clearly in trouble and a fair stoppage at some point seemed like a realistic possibility, so I don't think that bout should be treated as a Froch loss and a Groves win. If, however, Horse believes that Groves somehow beat Froch, his current rankings are harder to defend.

Just months ago Murray had a very close fight with and arguably deserved to beat someone who is generally ranked number one in his division and considered a top ten fighter p4p globally, or who at least was entering the bout. That is more impressive than anything Burns has recently done, and even though Murray just looked unimpressive in a stay busy fight he hasn't had a streak of life and death struggles like Burns has.

I have no issues with someone other than Murray being number two, but I think his placement there is quite defensible.

daviddee wrote:I would probably have Groves at #1 Froch at #2 and Burns at #3 Degale at #4 and Murray at #5

James DeGale?

Huh?

In the last 12 months he has beaten a who's who of the Big Book of Boxing Nobodies. He may have some potential that he is yet to realise in his 5 years as a pro, but to say he is the 4th best fighter in the UK is simply laughable.

Horse wrote:Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Horse - David Haye has yet to announce anything so to say he is retired is slightly presumtious!!! ;;-)

Spud wrote:

Horse wrote:Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Horse - David Haye has yet to announce anything so to say he is retired is slightly presumtious!!! ;;-)

Assuming a guy that's not fought in 18 months has retired is hardly presumptuous.

earsjohn wrote:

daviddee wrote:I would probably have Groves at #1 Froch at #2 and Burns at #3 Degale at #4 and Murray at #5

James DeGale?

Huh?

In the last 12 months he has beaten a who's who of the Big Book of Boxing Nobodies. He may have some potential that he is yet to realise in his 5 years as a pro, but to say he is the 4th best fighter in the UK is simply laughable.

He's beating fighters who are decently ranked.. He also arguably beat Groves. He is along with Groves the best 2 boxers that we have.. Both have the potential to be genuine Number 1s in there division unlike Froch and at the minute unlike Burns and Murray..

earsjohn wrote:

Spud wrote:

Horse wrote:Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Horse - David Haye has yet to announce anything so to say he is retired is slightly presumtious!!! ;;-)

Assuming a guy that's not fought in 18 months has retired is hardly presumptuous.

You know best ... it was very remiss of me, I completely forgot I work for David!!

David has yet to formally announce what plans he has with regards to his future in boxing. He has definitely not at this stage announced he has retired!!

crusader wrote:

funtime wrote:Murray at 2?

He looked like garbage in his last fight and has not 1 notable world level win on his record.

Horse thinks he beat Martinez and Sturm (I had him losing both fights, but they were very close) and it seems he ranks as such. To be fair, I think he's right in going beyond official results when formulating the rankings, as official results can paint a very distorted picture of what happened in the ring and how good someone is.

If you get beyond the fact that Murray didn't officially win either bout (and perhaps consider that someone like Burns didn't deserve to retain his title last time out), his case for number two is fairly strong imo, though he obviously didn't look good last time out.

Framptons best win clearly ranks him above Murray IMO. And actually so would Quiggs win against Rendall.

I Scored for Sturm & a draw, but not exactly winning your only 2 notable fights can't elevate you to the 2nd best in Britain surely? sad state of affairs if thats the case.

on the whole i generally quite like Horse British & world lists, but this is a big neigh from me.

BTW Horse, massive applause for your consistent exclusion of Broner on your world list.... know you took a lot of shit for that over in the CS.

Spud wrote: You know best ... it was very remiss of me, I completely forgot I work for David!!

David has yet to formally announce what plans he has with regards to his future in boxing. He has definitely not at this stage announced he has retired!!

OK he may not have retired, but anyone with no ring activity in 18 months has no place in a current P4P listing.

earsjohn wrote:

Spud wrote: You know best ... it was very remiss of me, I completely forgot I work for David!!

David has yet to formally announce what plans he has with regards to his future in boxing. He has definitely not at this stage announced he has retired!!

OK he may not have retired, but anyone with no ring activity in 18 months has no place in a current P4P listing.

Sorry to be pedantic about this ... I agree with your lastest post!!

Life's too short to rely on fighters like David Haye. As an amateur and active cruiserweight he was a very good watch. Now, who cares? Hopefully the next generation will be fortunate enough to be less prone to injury.

To say degale is currently number 4 in UK p4p is one of the best things I have ever read on here.

JamieM wrote:surely Ronnie " The Shark" Clark merits a place in the top 10 atleast. big shock for me!!

Not yet.

crusader wrote:

funtime wrote:Murray at 2?

He looked like garbage in his last fight and has not 1 notable world level win on his record.

Horse thinks he beat Martinez and Sturm (I had him losing both fights, but they were very close) and it seems he ranks as such. To be fair, I think he's right in going beyond official results when formulating the rankings, as official results can paint a very distorted picture of what happened in the ring and how good someone is.

If you get beyond the fact that Murray didn't officially win either bout (and perhaps consider that someone like Burns didn't deserve to retain his title last time out), his case for number two is fairly strong imo, though he obviously didn't look good last time out.

Groves is ahead of Froch after he beat him up.

Murray is too high, he is not versatile enough and Martinez is all done and has been for a while.

Finch wrote:Groves is ahead of Froch after he beat him up.

Where's Howard Foster ranked?

Spud wrote:Horse - David Haye has yet to announce anything so to say he is retired is slightly presumtious!!! ;;-)

He's out for being inactive then.

funtime wrote:Framptons best win clearly ranks him above Murray IMO. And actually so would Quiggs win against Rendall.

I Scored for Sturm & a draw, but not exactly winning your only 2 notable fights can't elevate you to the 2nd best in Britain surely? sad state of affairs if thats the case.

If Murray had have been given the decisions against Sturm and Martinez then he'd arguably be top 10 P4P in the world, so I don't think being No. 2 in Britain is wrong.

funtime wrote:on the whole i generally quite like Horse British & world lists, but this is a big neigh from me.