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Mexicos Salvador Sanchez. ------

Tragically, Salvador was killed in a car crash (RIP) at the young age of 23. But, during his professional career, he lost only once. He beat Ghanas great Azumah Nelson and Puerto Ricos great Wilfredo Gomez.


How do you think Salvador should rank all time in the featherweight division?


Why?


How do you think Salvador Sanchez should rank all time in the "Pound for Pound" category?


Why?

NYDominican wrote:Mexicos Salvador Sanchez. ------

Tragically, Salvador was killed in a car crash (RIP) at the young age of 23. But, during his professional career, he lost only once. He beat Ghanas great Azumah Nelson and Puerto Ricos great Wilfredo Gomez.


How do you think Salvador should rank all time in the featherweight division?


Why?


How do you think Salvador Sanchez should rank all time in the "Pound for Pound" category?


Why?

The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

Were are talking about a true all-time great here. One of the best and more complete fighters ever. A fine tall and lean counter puncher of extraordinary stamina, ring generalship, chin, heart, will and determination. Very smart fighter. To me, he is a top 5 all time great featherweights behind the great Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler and him coming at position #4.

A top 50 all time great in my book. Like I said, a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT.

He gave the great Wilfredo Gomez the BEATING OF HIS LIFE. Gomez was never the same after that. It was one of boxing's greatest performances of all time.

The other thing I loved about this phenom was his GREAT AND DEEP CONCENTRATION in the ring. Always poised. Nothing seems to bother him in a fight. The great Alexis Arguello was also that way.

polecateddy wrote:

NYDominican wrote:Mexicos Salvador Sanchez. ------

Tragically, Salvador was killed in a car crash (RIP) at the young age of 23. But, during his professional career, he lost only once. He beat Ghanas great Azumah Nelson and Puerto Ricos great Wilfredo Gomez.


How do you think Salvador should rank all time in the featherweight division?


Why?


How do you think Salvador Sanchez should rank all time in the "Pound for Pound" category?


Why?

The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

Barerra would have taken a nanosecond.

elmersalsa wrote:The other thing I loved about this phenom was his GREAT AND DEEP CONCENTRATION in the ring. Always poised. Nothing seems to bother him in a fight. The great Alexis Arguello was also that way.

Indeed, but I have some doubts about him beating Eusebio Pedroza if they had ever fought.

I always believed in the early 80s that the great Eusebio Pedroza would have taken him by UD. Pedroza was another COMPLETE FIGHTER that also had great deep concentration. He was always in great shape like Sal was, and had that great will to win, too.

elmersalsa wrote:I always believed in the early 80s that the great Eusebio Pedroza would have taken him by UD. Pedroza was another COMPLETE FIGHTER that also had great deep concentration. He was always in great shape like Sal was, and had that great will to win, too.

Not to mention his mastery of Kung Foo De Box.

elmersalsa, polecateddy and ezzard ------


Granted, Salvador Sanchezs life was cut short due to the car crash. Had this not happened. Had Salvador fought Wilfredo Gomez a second time.

How do you see a Salvador Sanchez against Wilfredo Gomez second fight going?


What advantages (If any) would Wilfredo have on Salvador?



What advantages (If any) would Salvador have on Wilfredo?


Who would win this fight?


Why?

elmersalsa, polecateddy and ezzard -------


Had Salvador not been killed. Had Salvador had a second fight against Azumah Nelson.


What do you see happening in a match up of Salvador Sanchez against Azumah Nelson #2?


What advantages (If any) would Azumah have over Salvador?


What advantages (If any) would Salvador have over Azumah?


Who would win?


Why?

As someone who had many long conversations with the late Dennie Mancini, who's knowledge of the fight game is unmatched. IMO Sanchez I would argue was the top featherweight of all time. Dennie who knew Willie Pep well. Said Pep was in his top 3 pound for pound fighters of all time.

elmersalsa wrote:I always believed in the early 80s that the great Eusebio Pedroza would have taken him by UD. Pedroza was another COMPLETE FIGHTER that also had great deep concentration. He was always in great shape like Sal was, and had that great will to win, too.

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Your 3 points above. ----- I see them. Am in total agreement with your last 2 points.

Regarding your first point above. ----- I would favor Eusebio. But, I sure do see Salvador having a chance. Due to Salvadors abilities. Which you listed in your one other post on this thread.


Salvador was killed back in August, 1982. At the very young age of 23.

Boxers in the featherweight division from September, 1982 till now. ------- Who could have beaten Salvador?

Boxers in the featherweight division, primarily from the autumn, 1982 till 2000. ------- Who could have beaten Salvador Sanchez?

polecateddy wrote:

NYDominican wrote:Mexicos Salvador Sanchez. ------

Tragically, Salvador was killed in a car crash (RIP) at the young age of 23. But, during his professional career, he lost only once. He beat Ghanas great Azumah Nelson and Puerto Ricos great Wilfredo Gomez.


How do you think Salvador should rank all time in the featherweight division?


Why?


How do you think Salvador Sanchez should rank all time in the "Pound for Pound" category?


Why?

The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

i love naz but this is silly, cowdells best night in his life and sanchez worst, and it dont work that way, fighter a beats fighter b etc. naz on his best night wouldnt of beat sanchez.

addi wrote:

polecateddy wrote:

NYDominican wrote:Mexicos Salvador Sanchez. ------

Tragically, Salvador was killed in a car crash (RIP) at the young age of 23. But, during his professional career, he lost only once. He beat Ghanas great Azumah Nelson and Puerto Ricos great Wilfredo Gomez.


How do you think Salvador should rank all time in the featherweight division?


Why?


How do you think Salvador Sanchez should rank all time in the "Pound for Pound" category?


Why?

The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

i love naz but this is silly, cowdells best night in his life and sanchez worst, and it dont work that way, fighter a beats fighter b etc. naz on his best night wouldnt of beat sanchez.

Wouldn't beat the version that struggled with Cowdell. I don't think Sanchez would have held off a more experienced version of Nelson either. The guy is just a tad overrated.

The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.[/quote]
i love naz but this is silly, cowdells best night in his life and sanchez worst, and it dont work that way, fighter a beats fighter b etc. naz on his best night wouldnt of beat sanchez.[/quote]

Wouldn't beat the version that struggled with Cowdell. I don't think Sanchez would have held off a more experienced version of Nelson either. The guy is just a tad overrated.[/quote]
firstly when making hypothetical matches i put both fighters on there best night, the naz that struggled with barrera how would he have got on with the sanchez that beat gomez, and a more seasoned nelson also means a more seasoned sanchez, i myself dont see him as overrated i think he gets the respect he deserves, after all he was a very good fighter.

addi wrote:The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

i love naz but this is silly, cowdells best night in his life and sanchez worst, and it dont work that way, fighter a beats fighter b etc. naz on his best night wouldnt of beat sanchez.[/quote]

Wouldn't beat the version that struggled with Cowdell. I don't think Sanchez would have held off a more experienced version of Nelson either. The guy is just a tad overrated.[/quote]
firstly when making hypothetical matches i put both fighters on there best night, the naz that struggled with barrera how would he have got on with the sanchez that beat gomez, and a more seasoned nelson also means a more seasoned sanchez, i myself dont see him as overrated i think he gets the respect he deserves, after all he was a very good fighter.[/quote]

Well Sanchez was very good, of course he was. But the best fighter ever at that weight would never have struggled with Cowdell. And really what is his excuse for it not being a good night. He was at his peak wasn't he?! Naz never gets his due.

Sanchez didn't struggle with Cowdell. That fight should never have been a SD, plus Cowdell was pretty much saved by the bell. In the Nelson fight, for some reason or other, Sanchez just didn't press home his advantage until the final round. When he decided it was checkout time for Azumah, that was all she wrote. Prior to that he dropped Nelson and wobbled him about 3 times.

He also whipped Danny Lopez's ass twice.

Seamus wrote:Sanchez didn't struggle with Cowdell. That fight should never have been a SD, plus Cowdell was pretty much saved by the bell. In the Nelson fight, for some reason or other, Sanchez just didn't press home his advantage until the final round. When he decided it was checkout time for Azumah, that was all she wrote. Prior to that he dropped Nelson and wobbled him about 3 times.

Upto the 14 round it looked like an upset. Granted it was very close, but Sanchez got out of jail against an inexperienced fighter who had never been past 10 rounds before in Nelson.

polecateddy wrote:

addi wrote:The Pat Cowdell fight showed Naz would have stood him on his head. Naz would have done Cowdell in a round.

i love naz but this is silly, cowdells best night in his life and sanchez worst, and it dont work that way, fighter a beats fighter b etc. naz on his best night wouldnt of beat sanchez.

Wouldn't beat the version that struggled with Cowdell. I don't think Sanchez would have held off a more experienced version of Nelson either. The guy is just a tad overrated.[/quote]
firstly when making hypothetical matches i put both fighters on there best night, the naz that struggled with barrera how would he have got on with the sanchez that beat gomez, and a more seasoned nelson also means a more seasoned sanchez, i myself dont see him as overrated i think he gets the respect he deserves, after all he was a very good fighter.[/quote]

Well Sanchez was very good, of course he was. But the best fighter ever at that weight would never have struggled with Cowdell. And really what is his excuse for it not being a good night. He was at his peak wasn't he?! Naz never gets his due.[/quote]
i give naz his due i think he was a class fighter i know a lot of people dont rate him which i dont understand and he skould be in the hof, but stand sanchez on his head no, and all fighters have bad days at the office, what separates the top fighters from the rest is they find a way to win.

Sanchez beat very good competition. It was amazing that he did so much by the age of 23. He was one of the top 3 featherweights of all time.

polecateddy wrote:

Seamus wrote:Sanchez didn't struggle with Cowdell. That fight should never have been a SD, plus Cowdell was pretty much saved by the bell. In the Nelson fight, for some reason or other, Sanchez just didn't press home his advantage until the final round. When he decided it was checkout time for Azumah, that was all she wrote. Prior to that he dropped Nelson and wobbled him about 3 times.

Upto the 14 round it looked like an upset. Granted it was very close, but Sanchez got out of jail against an inexperienced fighter who had never been past 10 rounds before in Nelson.

I always liked in Ring Magazine's yearly awards issue how they have their own "The Highly Unofficial Official Awards"

And one of them is named "The Azumah Nelson 'Where the Hell Did this Guy Come From' " Award

Obviously designed for guys who just show up...basically completely unknown and are able to compete at a World Class level.

elmersalsa wrote:Were are talking about a true all-time great here. One of the best and more complete fighters ever. A fine tall and lean counter puncher of extraordinary stamina, ring generalship, chin, heart, will and determination. Very smart fighter. To me, he is a top 5 all time great featherweights behind the great Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler and him coming at position #4.

A top 50 all time great in my book. Like I said, a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT.

He gave the great Wilfredo Gomez the BEATING OF HIS LIFE. Gomez was never the same after that. It was one of boxing's greatest performances of all time.

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elmersalsa, your 12 points above. ------------ I totally see your angles with 10 of your statements.



Your above statement here. ------------- You said "To me, he is a top 5 all time great featherweights behind the great Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler and him coming in at position #4". ------------


Do you think that Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, and Sandy Saddler should rank higher than Salvador? If so, why?


Please explain.





Salvador Sanchez, at his relatively young age, he beat all of these top boxers. -----------------


Danny Lopez, Ruben Castillo, Patrick Ford, Juan LaPorte, Roberto Castanon, Nicky Perez, Wilfredo Gomez, Pat Cowdell, Jorge Garcia, and Azumah Nelson.

NYDominican wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Were are talking about a true all-time great here. One of the best and more complete fighters ever. A fine tall and lean counter puncher of extraordinary stamina, ring generalship, chin, heart, will and determination. Very smart fighter. To me, he is a top 5 all time great featherweights behind the great Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler and him coming at position #4.

A top 50 all time great in my book. Like I said, a TRUE ALL TIME GREAT.

He gave the great Wilfredo Gomez the BEATING OF HIS LIFE. Gomez was never the same after that. It was one of boxing's greatest performances of all time.

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elmersalsa, your 12 points above. ------------ I totally see your angles with 10 of your statements.



Your above statement here. ------------- You said "To me, he is a top 5 all time great featherweights behind the great Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, Sandy Saddler and him coming in at position #4". ------------


Do you think that Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong, and Sandy Saddler should rank higher than Salvador? If so, why?


Please explain.





Salvador Sanchez, at his relatively young age, he beat all of these top boxers. -----------------


Danny Lopez, Ruben Castillo, Patrick Ford, Juan LaPorte, Roberto Castanon, Nicky Perez, Wilfredo Gomez, Pat Cowdell, Jorge Garcia, and Azumah Nelson.

It's because his career was cut short, and the best of him was yet to come. We missed him big time for a showdown with the great Eusebio Pedroza for an unification title match, and finish all doubts of who was the real top dog of the featherweights.

I ranked the great Willie Pep ahead of him because first, Pep cleaned up the featherweight class before the great Sandy Saddler came along. I give the edge to Salvador, just a little bit, in quality of opposition because the MONUMENTAL WIN over the great Wilfredo Gomez was so dominant of a performance that could not be ignored. It was one of the best performances in boxing history ever, period.

But, Pep had much more wins, more longevity, more winning streaks, and was the best fighter of his era. Sanchez was never the best fighter of his era because it was cut short.

The greats Henry Armstrong and Sandy Saddler were better than Sanchez because of longevity at the weight, too. Sanchez has the edge in my view in quality of opposition, also by just a little bit. If Sanchez would've beaten Pedroza, then, I could've rate him maybe #1 or #2 featherweight ever. He was that great.