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Read this today:

"Fulilangi told The Miami Herald in 1999 that he took a dive against Foreman. Fulilangi, who received $30,000 to fight Foreman, said nobody asked him to throw the bout. "I went down just to get the money," he said. "I went to the airport with a smile on my face."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:3057

But, here is the video of the fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6t_eI8nH0

If Tony "took a dive", then why get up after being knocked down not once, but twice? He clearly was hurt as well.

If you were taking a dive, why not stay down after getting hit?

I know claims of "_______ took a dive" show up here on the forum from time to time. However, have there been other times where someone claims they took a dive, but you don't believe them?

I guess the most famous example is Jack Johnson, who claimed years later to have thrown his title defence against Jess Willard. As far as I know, no one believes that any more.

Emanuel Augustus (in my opinion) took a dive against Allan vester

zojo, wrote:Read this today:

"Fulilangi told The Miami Herald in 1999 that he took a dive against Foreman. Fulilangi, who received $30,000 to fight Foreman, said nobody asked him to throw the bout. "I went down just to get the money," he said. "I went to the airport with a smile on my face."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:3057

But, here is the video of the fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6t_eI8nH0

If Tony "took a dive", then why get up after being knocked down not once, but twice? He clearly was hurt as well.

If you were taking a dive, why not stay down after getting hit?

There's a difference, in my view, of someone being a 'body' and a 'dive'. Body opponents happen every fornicating day in this business, and no one ever dares scream 'Dive!' cus we all know what its about; an extra 'win' on an otherwise padded record--- doesnt prove anything but someone picking up a few extra dollars and looking a little better on paper, when the reality is someone is getting a big push and big money for easy work. As for the 'loser', is he really a loser when he's making $1,500 or even $5,000 to just take one punch or two punches and then sits on his ass? Not really, not in the big scope of things. Its just business.

A dive is someone being clearly able to win, being able bodied enough to be competitive, and just fornicating quits or gives no effort at all--- just pisses it all away for one reason or another--- and that shit happens on almost every pay per view, Friday Night Fight card, etc. where people just dont pull the fornicating trigger or give an ounce of anything.

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus (in my opinion) took a dive against Allan vester

Yeah that was definitely a dive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Il Duce wrote:Muhammad Ali

Blamed the 'loss' to Larry Holmes on Diet Pills.

Muhammad Ali,
"I thought I was Super Human, so I doubled up on my dosage"...........

That's not a Dive. That's an excuse. Every fighter that ever lost to anybody has an excuse just about.

But naturally you probably believe Muhammad Ali is the only fighter that ever made an excuse about a loss.

gilgamesh wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus (in my opinion) took a dive against Allan vester

Yeah that was definitely a dive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Absolutely.

I have slowed that down and I can find nothing Liston like about it.

I do agree this is a genuine dive There is no energy transfer detectable.

A grape would easily survive those shots.

Seems odd that Augustus would choose such a path.

I await dildochay's explanation.

BoxBuzz wrote:I have slowed that down and I can find nothing Liston like about it.

I do agree this is a genuine dive There is no energy transfer detectable.

A grape would easily survive those shots.

Seems odd that Augustus would choose such a path.

I await dildochay's explanation.

I still have no doubt that Liston could've beaten the 10 count, the only you convinced me of is that knockdown may have possibly been legit. I'm not 100% sure of that even, but I have no doubt he could've beaten the 10 count.

He possibly could've made it believable if he didn't roll over, get up on his knee and then roll back over on his back again, but alas he did. Therefore a Dive it is.

But yes, this is an even more obvious dive with no possible way of explaining it wasn't. We all know Augustus can take a good shot as is, he can certainly take shots that barely graze him like those do. A lot of them don't even do that. Plus the way he falls. He falls backward as if he'd been shot or something, and the dude was literally just moving his hands in pitty pat fashion. I'm not even gonna say what the guy was doing was "throwing punches" because it wasn't. He was simply moving his hands Malignaggi style.

HomicideHenry wrote:

zojo, wrote:Read this today:

"Fulilangi told The Miami Herald in 1999 that he took a dive against Foreman. Fulilangi, who received $30,000 to fight Foreman, said nobody asked him to throw the bout. "I went down just to get the money," he said. "I went to the airport with a smile on my face."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:3057

But, here is the video of the fight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj6t_eI8nH0

If Tony "took a dive", then why get up after being knocked down not once, but twice? He clearly was hurt as well.

If you were taking a dive, why not stay down after getting hit?

There's a difference, in my view, of someone being a 'body' and a 'dive'. Body opponents happen every effing day in this business, and no one ever dares scream 'Dive!' cus we all know what its about; an extra 'win' on an otherwise padded record--- doesnt prove anything but someone picking up a few extra dollars and looking a little better on paper, when the reality is someone is getting a big push and big money for easy work. As for the 'loser', is he really a loser when he's making $1,500 or even $5,000 to just take one punch or two punches and then sits on his ass? Not really, not in the big scope of things. Its just business.

A dive is someone being clearly able to win, being able bodied enough to be competitive, and just effing quits or gives no effort at all--- just pisses it all away for one reason or another--- and that poo happens on almost every pay per view, Friday Night Fight card, etc. where people just dont pull the effing trigger or give an ounce of anything.

I wrote this here on the forum a couple of years ago:

1. Abe Andersonvillesmith and Bob Butterfieldwortherton agree to fight in a boxing match. An agreement is made ahead of time for Bob to lose the fight on purpose, still get paid, and Abe gets the win.


2. Abe and Bob are engaged in the fight. Both men try their hardest to win. However, after a few rounds pass, Bob realizes that Abe is just way more advanced as a boxer than he will ever be. Bob is now concerned about his health and wellbeing. Therefore, Bob decides to find a soft spot to land on after getting hit by a punch and take the 10 count to avoid getting further punishment.

In both fights, Bob made a decision to lose, but I don't really consider #2 a "dive".

gilgamesh wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus (in my opinion) took a dive against Allan vester

Yeah that was definitely a dive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Wow it's been a while since I saw that but it's worse than I thought it was, it really is just a glancing blow and then some pitty-pat misses.
I wouldn't have even bothered to put 'in my opinion' if I'd remembered it being that obvious! :)

Hmm Did anyone take a close look at how he landed? Could it have been the landing and not the "tripping" that goofed him?


I didn't tear that apart...I just know the punches seemed unlikely to have caused much confusion.

TheWigwam wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:Emanuel Augustus (in my opinion) took a dive against Allan vester

Yeah that was definitely a dive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2wPWMURJ4

Wow it's been a while since I saw that but it's worse than I thought it was, it really is just a glancing blow and then some pitty-pat misses.
I wouldn't have even bothered to put 'in my opinion' if I'd remembered it being that obvious! :)

Yeah it's obvious as hell. Also they saved it for the final few seconds of the 12th round. It's officially recorded as a KO at 2:59 of the 12th round. So somebody milked that fix for all it was worth.

Augustus was a precision worker.....that was perfect timing and poise.

BoxBuzz wrote:Hmm Did anyone take a close look at how he landed? Could it have been the landing and not the "tripping" that goofed him?

I didn't tear that apart...I just know the punches seemed unlikely to have caused much confusion.

A lad working in Denmark used to send me VHS tapes of the Palle cards in exchange for the Aussie cards.

He told me he was at that show and you could see the Dane's handlers send someone around to Augustus' corner before that round started. Emanuel was winning the fight clearly at that point. I can only assume they came to an agreement that he would fall over in the coming round in exchange for some benefit, be it cash or a promise of more fights on Palle cards.

That is the only time in many years watching boxing I have seen something so blatant.

I might dig the full fight out and put it up at WBVA if anyone is interested.

Wrestling fans would buy that as genuine. Seriously well acted. Though the forensics simply don't support it.