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More ignorance. First hand sources please.

Norfolk was not based out of Baltimore at this time. He was based out of New York as part of Leo P Flynns stable and attached to Grupps gym.

How was the first Greb-Norfolk bout A. a theft and B. a decision? It was a no decision with more first hand accounts giving the bout to Greb on a one round swing. It was an incredibly close and competetive bout in which Norfolk outweighed Greb by 20 pounds but at the end of the fight was being battered in a corner and was forced to cancel all of his fights afterwards and spend a nice stay in the hospital.

He was unbeatable at 170? Really? Tell that to the journeyman Tommy Connors who was outweight by Norfolk and whipped him handily. Tell that to Gus Christie who knocked his teeth out in Buffalo, tell that Jeff Clark, or Gunboat Smith who drew with him in Buffalo, Tell that to Clay Turner who dropped him and beat him twice. Tell that to Lee Anderson who stopped him. Shall I continue?

Norfolks best weight was about 180, not 170. In 1917 when a fight between he and Greb was talked about Norfolk refused to come down to 175 for the match, ought to tell you something.

For someone who supposedly bought my book youd think youd be better educated on this fight. This fight will be an interesting test of El Douche's ability to spew bullshit. Im betting Douche cant come up with more than one first hand account, if he can even come up with that many. Im interested in seeing how he reconciles those accounts with Norfolk "beating up and running over Greb."

The majority of accounts view this bout more as a wrestling match than a boxing match as it quickly devolved into a very dirty bout when Norfolk reputedly first kidney punched Greb and then butted, pushed, or threw Greb out of the ring. Despite the DQ loss on Greb's record the commissioner stated publicly that Norfolk should have been DQd and that he expected the result to be changed.

School is dismissed for now...

Congrats. Most twisted and lie filled account ever. Not even worth the kilobytes this message takes up on the net and not supported by any first hand source.

Date: Sunday, April 20, 1924
Paper: Boston Herald (Boston, MA)
Page: 20

Il Duce wrote:Harry Greb

Broke so many Rules, that he was 'Banned from Boston' for 6-Months.

Harry Greb was a 'foul-filled' fighter, who did not abide by proper boxing rules.
And he was a 'cheap-shot artist' who routinely displayed unethical conduct.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... cmLpgV0pMQ

They were both banned smart guy. But only Norfolk was dq'd in his very next bout for the same tactics he used against Greb and was dq' several more times in what remained of his career while this remains the only (and highly debateable) dq of grebs career.

Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

[quote="Il Duce"]

Harry Greb 'punched' Kid Norfolk in the back of the head, after Round 6 had ended.

Wrong. all ringside reports barring one agree that norfolk hit greb FIRST after the bell and that greb retaliated.

your hero jack sheehan was heavily criticized as being too old and frail to handle the fighters.

Cap wrote:Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.

Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Cap wrote:Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.

Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.

I think you got him pegged Buzz. The sooner he's gone the more integrity the BOTP section will have. It's always been the part of the forum that the majority of the best Boxing discussion was held amongst the truly knowledgeable fight fans.

Il Duce has been allowed to take a big sh*t all over it.

I think you've nailed it. He's a strange guy with a lot of time on his hands.













I suppose that counts for most of the forum :geek2:

Did Greb really win 40 plus fights in one year? Has any other fighter won as many fights in one single year?

BoxBuzz wrote:

Cap wrote:Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.

Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.

Spot on...and incites trouble by being a cheerleader for one party or the other...but is anything ever done about it??

Il Duce wrote:Facts

Every report, has Harry Greb striking a vicious and 'dirty' blow at the back of Kid Norfolk's head well
after the 'clang' for Round 6.

The Pittsburg Courier {April 26, 1924}

'KID NORFOLK WINS ON FOUL OVER HARRY GREB AT THE END OF 6th'
-The Dirtiest Fight Even Seen in Boston At Mechanic's Pavillion-

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 2kJ4kEAeuA

I would call this an outright lie but since you dont have ANY of the first hand accounts you dont know better. The Pittsburgh Courier's report was a reprint from, I believe, the Boston Herald, the ONLY report which had Greb striking Norfolk first after the bell. Of course the Pittsburgh Courier, which was a pro black newspaper (and one of the most biased papers of the time) would issue that one report while ignoring the half dozen or more ringside reports that stated Norfolk struck Greb first. But Im not stupid, I know this pinhead is just trying to wind me up. What I dont understand is that the admin here admits this is blatant trolling and knows it, has warned him once and stated several times that his rules violations wont go unpunished yet continues to allow this garbage. Welcome to the ignore button dickhead. Have fun rolling around in your misery where the only thing you can think to do all day is fabricate reports of boxing matches to piss people off. Sad and pathetic.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Cap wrote:Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.

Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.

Then why don't you ban him for godssake???! hes been allowed to ruin this forum which has become little more than a joke now! I find it very strange that you simply go round waiving your hands, and making some insightful/witty comments about him, yet carry on allowing him and a few of his weak minded followers to crap all over this forum!.

fatcity69 wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

Cap wrote:Don't know why this guy has such a hate on for Greb. Though I have to admit, without actual film of Harry I kind of picture him wind-milling in the ring, slapping with open gloves or landing a million light punches that wears a guy down like drops of rain on cement. A lot of blows considered illegal now were accepted in the early days, like Gunboat Smith's occipital punch. Not saying Greb was dirty by the standards of his day. Times were different.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.

Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.

Then why don't you ban him for godssake???! hes been allowed to ruin this forum which has become little more than a joke now! I find it very strange that you simply go round waiving your hands, and making some insightful/witty comments about him, yet carry on allowing him and a few of his weak minded followers to crap all over this forum!.

I don't see much wit or insight. He's pretty weak IMO, sometimes his posts make as much sense as Duces.

scallum wrote:Did Greb really win 40 plus fights in one year? Has any other fighter won as many fights in one single year?

fighting guys on the debut when you have had 200 fights would be like an easy spar ,40 fights isn't unbelievable .i'm sure floyd could beat a guy a week that wasn't rated in the top 200 like greb did oh and fighting the same bloke 12 times makes it a bit easier

stevedoc wrote:

scallum wrote:Did Greb really win 40 plus fights in one year? Has any other fighter won as many fights in one single year?

fighting guys on the debut when you have had 200 fights would be like an easy spar ,40 fights isn't unbelievable .i'm sure floyd could beat a guy a week that wasn't rated in the top 200 like greb did oh and fighting the same bloke 12 times makes it a bit easier

Steve, the records for most of the fighters in Grebs day are very incomplete. Have a look at how many hall of fame fighters he beat. His greatness is indisputable.

I'm reading Steve Comptons (Klompton) book on Greb just now, it's excellent. I've also got 'The Fearless Harry Greb' by Bill Paxton. I'd happily lend it to you by post or do a swap, it's well worth a read.

I think I've come to understand that Ill Doochee has no "love" or "hate" for any fighter. He does like to find "others" who have an interest, be it positive or negative regarding ANY fighter...and the WHO is not as important as the strength of conviction. Once he senses you have a strong opinion of ANY fighter...in EITHER direction....he goes about the task of figuring out how much fun it would be to bait the hook, and see who grabs at it. Once the bait is taken, he has a grand time fighting whatever fish he has hooked, and is happy to hang in there regardless of the direction it leads.

I could be wrong, it's purely a theory I'm working on. Based on my own imagination, mixed with the written evidence displayed here on our forum.



Who "imagines" I'm on to something here? Please let me know if you believe I'm all wet on this one.[/quote]


Then why don't you ban him for godssake???! hes been allowed to ruin this forum which has become little more than a joke now! I find it very strange that you simply go round waiving your hands, and making some insightful/witty comments about him, yet carry on allowing him and a few of his weak minded followers to crap all over this forum!.[/quote]


I don't see much wit or insight. He's pretty weak IMO, sometimes his posts make as much sense as Duces.[/quote]


I was being ironic really, but your right, Buzz is weak, a toothless tiger who has allowed one twisted individual and a few of his dummy followers to ruin what once was a very interesting and informative forum. You see Buzz doesn't even answer our comments and concerns, maybe he just thinks its a great laugh what ducebag is doing. Very sad and disappointing, with the end result being that this is nolonger a serious boxing forum for either the enthusiast or the historian.

I'm going to use the withered logic of the Grand Daddy Buzz and call bullshit on the above.