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Glad to hear it. It will likely be in Germany then?

Murray will get beat this time.

mickey1975 wrote:Murray will get beat this time.

He won't !

What date?

In 3-4 months time . Yes it's in the kraut land
I don't know anything else yet but I'm in the know so take this as a fact . Il post more things when I know them .

Sturm is a class act for making this fight.
I believe he would have given Barker his rematch straight away.
And seeing him give Martin another crack is a good show.
I think he will beat Murray he looked revitalised last time out and knows more this time.
Good fight.

Rainford massive wrote:I'm in the know so take this as a fact .

TJ77 wrote:Sturm is a class act for making this fight.
I believe he would have given Barker his rematch straight away.
And seeing him give Martin another crack is a good show.
I think he will beat Murray he looked revitalised last time out and knows more this time.
Good fight.

+1 if this is true I thought he would just fight stiffs.

I'm going to favour Sturm more this time around though. Murray has been far too active and looked terrible last time out.


Murray has to knock Sturm out to win this ....simple.

Where is Daniel Gealle or Sam Soliman

stujones wrote:Where is Daniel Gealle or Sam Soliman

Probably in Australia.

mickey1975 wrote:

stujones wrote:Where is Daniel Gealle or Sam Soliman

Probably in Australia.

Murray is massively overrated IMO. Sturm beat him and he couldn't beat a one legged Martinez

Both still ducking GGG. No change there then.

This day and age you don't have to be the best in the world to be world champion. Froch is/was never better than ward etc..

rhino222 wrote:This day and age you don't have to be the best in the world to be world champion. Froch is/was never better than ward etc..

Hang on a minute, Froch became a world champion before Ward even challenged for a world title (2008). So should Froch and the rest of the champions in 2008 have just vacated and handed their titles to Ward?

Froch became a bona fide world champion at the first time of asking, regardless of whether it was later determined that Ward was the better fight.

And none of that means that Froch was ever the best in the world, which seems to be the point.

liamlion wrote:

rhino222 wrote:This day and age you don't have to be the best in the world to be world champion. Froch is/was never better than ward etc..

Hang on a minute, Froch became a world champion before Ward even challenged for a world title (2008). So should Froch and the rest of the champions in 2008 have just vacated and handed their titles to Ward?

Froch became a bona fide world champion at the first time of asking, regardless of whether it was later determined that Ward was the better fight.

But he was never #1 in the division and never will be.

After calzaghe retired it left a huge question mark of who was number 1 In the division. The super 6 sorted it out. I don't think you can ever claim froch was number in the super mid division

rhino222 wrote:This day and age you don't have to be the best in the world to be world champion. Froch is/was never better than ward etc..

yeah but we're not in the '50s anymore, there's several titles now and we all know this. froch has achieved at a high level, in quality fights vs pascal, taylor, dirrell, Abraham, Kessler, Johnson, bute, groves. all in the top ten at super middle or at least former or future belt holders. plus the rivalries, Kessler already done & apparently next groves rematch. winning 3 titles vs world class competition is nothing to scoff at, having all those fierce fights, even if froch is a runner up. some of our most celebrated fighters, such as ken buchanan, were 2nd best to fighters like duran - but they are still celebrated.

bringing up calzaghe, yes he definitely was #1, but he didn't go for it 'til something like his 14th and 16th title defences. at least froch has gone fight after fight competing fiercely every time (mack fight excepted).

back to murray and sturm, whoever lifts their ordinarily slow, one-pace, could be the one who takes the victory and the title.

What's wrong with not being the number 1 in the divison

Nothing, no shame in that

Why cant somebody just be happy to be one of the 4 main belt holders

powderPuff wrote:What's wrong with not being the number 1 in the divison

Nothing no shame in that

Why cant somebody just be happy to be one of the 4 main belt holders

Its a way of devaluing a fighters achievements. It works when you have someone who doesn't like a fighter for whatever reason.

'Froch ain't never been number one, Ward is better'

Unfortunately for them, being 2nd best in a division behind the 2nd best fighter across the whole sport doesn't make for a bad fighter

lillywhite14 wrote:

powderPuff wrote:What's wrong with not being the number 1 in the divison

Nothing no shame in that

Why cant somebody just be happy to be one of the 4 main belt holders

Its a way of devaluing a fighters achievements. It works when you have someone who doesn't like a fighter for whatever reason.

'Froch ain't never been number one, Ward is better'

Unfortunately for them, being 2nd best in a division behind the 2nd best fighter across the whole sport doesn't make for a bad fighter

Nothing for Froch to be ashamed of, he went up against Ward to see who was best in the division and lost. Fair play to him.

Unfortunately there are far too many fighters who are more than happy to be one of the 4 belt holders whilst avoiding unifications and thus depriving boxing of the top match ups. The fact is these days there are a lot less fighters and a lot more belts

Would be happy if this one has been made.