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How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 17:39
by keithmoonhangover
Liston as seemingly unbeatable monster and a huge betting favourite. Clay took him apart, even with the suspect substance in his eyes.
I rate it as one of the best performances by a heavyweight ever. What about you?
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 17:46
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Liston as seemingly unbeatable monster and a huge betting favourite. Clay took him apart, even with the suspect substance in his eyes.
I rate it as one of the best performances by a heavyweight ever. What about you?
A Poor Display of Effort
Are you still doing this?
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 17:56
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:Are you still doing this?
You posed a question. And I gave an 'Honest' answer.[/quote]
You made yourself look like a complete bell end, is what you did.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 17:58
by evrenb
I rate it as one of the best performances by a heavyweight ever. What about you?[/quote]
Perfectly put. Ali was awesome for barely 22 years of age. He rates it as his finest performance....i think I agree.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 18:03
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:It was 'dull' and uneventful.
Like everything you post.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 18:07
by Seamus
Despite the fact that I consider Liston to be very overrated, it was still an impressive win. Even when Clay was a sitting duck unable to see, he managed to prove he was a sitting duck who could survive 3 rounds of punishment in good shape.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 18:37
by observer1
Il Duce wrote:It was 'dull' and uneventful.
Complete lack of action, between a 'lumbering' old man with major Tax Problems from the IRS,
and a fleet-footed light-punching kid who had 'Financial Backers up the Coolie'.
lol.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 19:09
by Duch
Il Duce wrote:It was 'dull' and uneventful.
(...)
'Boxing News'
"Muhammad Ali KO In 1 Over Il Duce"
-The famous boxing reporter Il Duce was knocked out in Poetic War by 'The Greatest'-
After he said that one of the most important and impressive fights in the heavyweight division between Ali and Liston was "dull and uneventful", Muhammad threw down the gauntlet.
Il Duce picked it up but he didn't prepare for the worst beating in his short career.
Ali was offensive and self-confident from the very beginning.
"Clay threw his left, then threw his right
Il Duce saw stars and think it was night
That's my great poem which is the latest
Now better start think of me as 'The Greatest'"
Unfortunately, he didn't respond with anything. The judge was counting to 10 and the fight was over.
Regret that you didn't see Il Duce's surprised face.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 21:47
by BoxBuzz
Liston walked in very sure of himself, and walked out losing nearly all his confidence. Never the same after that.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 03 Feb 2014, 22:11
by polecateddy
Probably my second favourite fight after McBride/Monaco.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 08:17
by scallum
He shook up the World lol
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 10:15
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:scallum wrote:He shook up the World lol
Cassius Clay shook up nothing, the Miami Beach Auditorium was nearly half-filled.
Nobody cared.......
But yet he went on to become one of the most loved sportsmen in history and one of the most recognisable faces on the planet. Those sir, are FACTS. Not the deluded ramblings you post on here.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 10:23
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:The must beloved,,,,,,,,he was also the most despised athlete as well.
Not to nit-pick, but it's impossible to be the most loved and despised at the same time. That's a mathematical impossibility.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 10:38
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Il Duce wrote:The must beloved,,,,,,,,he was also the most despised athlete as well.
Not to nit-pick, but it's impossible to be the most loved and despised at the same time. That's a mathematical impossibility.
No it is not............'the most despised' and 'most beloved' can happen at the same time.
Please explain.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 11:03
by keithmoonhangover
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 11:09
by lefty
Il Duce wrote:Keith
I tried to keep it simple for you.
Remember....... you're a Drunk.
That was out of line mate.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 11:15
by keithmoonhangover
Il Duce wrote:Keith
I tried to keep it simple for you.
Remember....... you're a Drunk.
I think you're getting me confused with the actual Keith Moon. But then, most of the stuff you post is completely deluded, so that's understandable.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 11:16
by BoxBuzz
I think the term is "polarizing figure". And I would agree that he was just such a person.
Not that I get a lot of comfort from agreeing with someone who is right about as often as stopped clock.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 11:33
by keithmoonhangover
BoxBuzz wrote:I think the term is "polarizing figure". And I would agree that he was just such a person.
Not that I get a lot of comfort from agreeing with someone who is right about as often as stopped clock.
Clay was booed, but Ali become a worldwide phenomenan - still hated by some, but loved by many.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 12:28
by raylawpc
Liston fought stupidly.
I'm not saying Sonny would have won if he had fought smartly
, but it would have been a better fight.
How do I rate the win? It was a very good win for the underdog Cassius who really did "shock the world." But when rating the fight, one has to take into account how stupidly Liston fought . . .
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 12:54
by The Great John L
He fought stupid because he had no clue how to deal with Ali's footspeed. There was nothing he could have done against Ali without a gun or rocket launcher.
A great performance by a relative novice against an experienced and dangerous opponent.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 13:05
by raylawpc
The Great John L wrote:He fought stupid because he had no clue how to deal with Ali's footspeed. There was nothing he could have done against Ali without a gun or rocket launcher.
A great performance by a relative novice against an experienced and dangerous opponent.
I disagree. Sonny knew how to cut off the ring, but didn't do it very well in this fight. He also used his left jab stupidly. Not that Sonny would have necessarily won or that it wasn't a great performance by young Cassius . . .
Sonny fought like he left his brains in the dressing room.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 14:12
by The Great John L
raylawpc wrote:The Great John L wrote:He fought stupid because he had no clue how to deal with Ali's footspeed. There was nothing he could have done against Ali without a gun or rocket launcher.
A great performance by a relative novice against an experienced and dangerous opponent.
I disagree. Sonny knew how to cut off the ring, but didn't do it very well in this fight. He also used his left jab stupidly. Not that Sonny would have necessarily won or that it wasn't a great performance by young Cassius . . .
Sonny fought like he left his brains in the dressing room.
Prior to this fight he hadn't needed anything more than what he brought. Cutting off the ring is one thing. Doing it against a young Ali is an entirely different issue.
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 14:57
by evrenb
I think Tyson said it best 'Ali made Liston look like he
Was from another era' ....
Re: How Do You Rate Clay's Win Over Liston?
Posted: 04 Feb 2014, 15:00
by raylawpc
The Great John L wrote:raylawpc wrote:The Great John L wrote:He fought stupid because he had no clue how to deal with Ali's footspeed. There was nothing he could have done against Ali without a gun or rocket launcher.
A great performance by a relative novice against an experienced and dangerous opponent.
I disagree. Sonny knew how to cut off the ring, but didn't do it very well in this fight. He also used his left jab stupidly. Not that Sonny would have necessarily won or that it wasn't a great performance by young Cassius . . .
Sonny fought like he left his brains in the dressing room.
Prior to this fight he hadn't needed anything more than what he brought. Cutting off the ring is one thing. Doing it against a young Ali is an entirely different issue.
The thing is, he didn't even try. Again, I am not saying he would have won. I'm saying he fought stupidly and could have done better.