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I saw the first and third fight but not the second. Those were great battles. Similar sort of saga to Gatti vs Ward, though probably not quite as intense.

Yup, I watched them all live. The first fight was the best one. I think Harding/Andries was a better trilogy than either of the ones you mentioned.

Yes, and I think the judges got all 3 right.

Dennis Andres versus Jeff Harding was one that I forgot about. In the first and second fights, Both men had to come back from being behind to win. Harding did it in the first fight, while Andries pulled through in the second. Steward was ready to throw the towel in between rounds but gave Dennis one last chance. And he came back to stop Harding. Didn't see the third fight but heard it was a little less exciting than the first two...

Paz vs Haugen 1 was an excellent fight. Didn't see it live but caught it years later. Never saw the second fight.. The third fight is the only one I saw live and I think that was either in the spring or summer of 90. Both contests were good.

I don't recall the second fight being overly entertaining.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't recall the second fight being overly entertaining.

I haven't seen it in years. Incidentally, the winner of Bobby Cyz vs Andrew Maynard was supposed to take on the winner of Andries vs Harding 2, but it never happened, Which was basically the story of the light heavyweight division back in the early 90's. So many potentially good fights that never got made. But I do remember Steward telling Andries that " this is your last round." Dennis made it count.

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't recall the second fight being overly entertaining.

I haven't seen it in years. Incidentally, the winner of Bobby Cyz vs Andrew Maynard was supposed to take on the winner of Andries vs Harding 2, but it never happened, Which was basically the story of the light heavyweight division back in the early 90's. So many potentially good fights that never got made. But I do remember Steward telling Andries that " this is your last round." Dennis made it count.

I was talking about the fight between Paz and Haugen that you haven't seen. All 3 of the Harding/Andries fights were excellent.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I don't recall the second fight being overly entertaining.

I haven't seen it in years. Incidentally, the winner of Bobby Cyz vs Andrew Maynard was supposed to take on the winner of Andries vs Harding 2, but it never happened, Which was basically the story of the light heavyweight division back in the early 90's. So many potentially good fights that never got made. But I do remember Steward telling Andries that " this is your last round." Dennis made it count.

I was talking about the fight between Paz and Haugen that you haven't seen. All 3 of the Harding/Andries fights were excellent.

I'll skip it then.

Paz and Haugen,either one would have put up a good fight with Duran imo.Especially Paz,he had that fearlessness,an element many of Duran's opponents/victims didnt have,at least when facing Roberto. It seems they were basically in this very defensive fear mode,which on one side enabled them to go rounds with Duran,but didnt make for an entertaining fight. More like a deer constantly running and sidestepping away from a raging wolf. Haugen would've been pretty awkward and frustrating for Duran but Duran would've won a clear cut decision based on aggression and higher connect rate wheras Paz-Duran would've turned into an all out slugfest/brawl which would've been very interesting and highly entertaining based on they're coinciding styles and Paz's Fearless Fighting edge.

As far as Haugen-Paz,yeah,they were very competitive boxing matches. Paz was basically the aggressor and Haugen the counterpuncher. They're coinciding style differences made for very competitively entertaining bouts. Paz's fearless ferocity and agressive style like i said,would've been so incredibly entertaining against a Lw Duran,wheras Haugen would be fairly competitive and likely go the distance with Duran but would'nt have been nearly as good,interesting,and entertaining from a fans perspective.

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AngryGoon38 wrote:Paz and Haugen,either one would have put up a good fight with Duran imo.Especially Paz,he had that fearlessness,an element many of Duran's opponents/victims didnt have,at least when facing Roberto. It seems they were basically in this very defensive fear mode,which on one side enabled them to go rounds with Duran,but didnt make for an entertaining fight. More like a deer constantly running and sidestepping away from a raging wolf. Haugen would've been pretty awkward and frustrating for Duran but Duran would've won a clear cut decision based on aggression and higher connect rate wheras Paz-Duran would've turned into an all out slugfest/brawl which would've been very interesting and highly entertaining based on they're coinciding styles and Paz's Fearless Fighting edge.

As far as Haugen-Paz,yeah,they were very competitive boxing matches. Paz was basically the aggressor and Haugen the counterpuncher. They're coinciding style differences made for very competitively entertaining bouts. Paz's fearless ferocity and agressive style like i said,would've been so incredibly entertaining against a Lw Duran,wheras Haugen would be fairly competitive and likely go the distance with Duran but would'nt have been nearly as good,interesting,and entertaining from a fans perspective.

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Its quite possible that Haugen and Paz might have made for interesting fights against Duran. But something also tells me that both of those guys would have eaten up too many hard shots for their own good.

Paz and Haugen really disliked each other too. One of the first boxing mags I bought as a lad had an interview with Haugen, and he did not appreciate Vinny one bit.

AngryGoon38 wrote:Paz and Haugen,either one would have put up a good fight with Duran imo.Especially Paz,he had that fearlessness,an element many of Duran's opponents/victims didnt have,at least when facing Roberto. It seems they were basically in this very defensive fear mode,which on one side enabled them to go rounds with Duran,but didnt make for an entertaining fight. More like a deer constantly running and sidestepping away from a raging wolf. Haugen would've been pretty awkward and frustrating for Duran but Duran would've won a clear cut decision based on aggression and higher connect rate wheras Paz-Duran would've turned into an all out slugfest/brawl which would've been very interesting and highly entertaining based on they're coinciding styles and Paz's Fearless Fighting edge.

As far as Haugen-Paz,yeah,they were very competitive boxing matches. Paz was basically the aggressor and Haugen the counterpuncher. They're coinciding style differences made for very competitively entertaining bouts. Paz's fearless ferocity and agressive style like i said,would've been so incredibly entertaining against a Lw Duran,wheras Haugen would be fairly competitive and likely go the distance with Duran but would'nt have been nearly as good,interesting,and entertaining from a fans perspective.

:geek2:

Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

In fairness, neither man was prime nor fighting at their ideal weight. And Duran winning that fight was questionable. But nevertheless I agree that Roberto was the far older and more weathered of the two and would have dominated Paz prime for prime.

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

In fairness, neither man was prime nor fighting at their ideal weight. And Duran winning that fight was questionable. But nevertheless I agree that Roberto was the far older and more weathered of the two and would have dominated Paz prime for prime.

Thanks for your support.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

In fairness, neither man was prime nor fighting at their ideal weight. And Duran winning that fight was questionable. But nevertheless I agree that Roberto was the far older and more weathered of the two and would have dominated Paz prime for prime.

Thanks for your support.

Now if only I can get you to become a more avid fan of Gerry Cooney...........

drunkenpiper36 wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

drunkenpiper36 wrote:
In fairness, neither man was prime nor fighting at their ideal weight. And Duran winning that fight was questionable. But nevertheless I agree that Roberto was the far older and more weathered of the two and would have dominated Paz prime for prime.

Thanks for your support.

Now if only I can get you to become a more avid fan of Gerry Cooney...........

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote:Paz and Haugen,either one would have put up a good fight with Duran imo.Especially Paz,he had that fearlessness,an element many of Duran's opponents/victims didnt have,at least when facing Roberto. It seems they were basically in this very defensive fear mode,which on one side enabled them to go rounds with Duran,but didnt make for an entertaining fight. More like a deer constantly running and sidestepping away from a raging wolf. Haugen would've been pretty awkward and frustrating for Duran but Duran would've won a clear cut decision based on aggression and higher connect rate wheras Paz-Duran would've turned into an all out slugfest/brawl which would've been very interesting and highly entertaining based on they're coinciding styles and Paz's Fearless Fighting edge.

As far as Haugen-Paz,yeah,they were very competitive boxing matches. Paz was basically the aggressor and Haugen the counterpuncher. They're coinciding style differences made for very competitively entertaining bouts. Paz's fearless ferocity and agressive style like i said,would've been so incredibly entertaining against a Lw Duran,wheras Haugen would be fairly competitive and likely go the distance with Duran but would'nt have been nearly as good,interesting,and entertaining from a fans perspective.

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Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

Didn't Paz actually try to claim he was a better Lightweight than Duran?

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

AngryGoon38 wrote:Paz and Haugen,either one would have put up a good fight with Duran imo.Especially Paz,he had that fearlessness,an element many of Duran's opponents/victims didnt have,at least when facing Roberto. It seems they were basically in this very defensive fear mode,which on one side enabled them to go rounds with Duran,but didnt make for an entertaining fight. More like a deer constantly running and sidestepping away from a raging wolf. Haugen would've been pretty awkward and frustrating for Duran but Duran would've won a clear cut decision based on aggression and higher connect rate wheras Paz-Duran would've turned into an all out slugfest/brawl which would've been very interesting and highly entertaining based on they're coinciding styles and Paz's Fearless Fighting edge.

As far as Haugen-Paz,yeah,they were very competitive boxing matches. Paz was basically the aggressor and Haugen the counterpuncher. They're coinciding style differences made for very competitively entertaining bouts. Paz's fearless ferocity and agressive style like i said,would've been so incredibly entertaining against a Lw Duran,wheras Haugen would be fairly competitive and likely go the distance with Duran but would'nt have been nearly as good,interesting,and entertaining from a fans perspective.

:geek2:

Duran fought Paz in his mid 40's and most thought he won their first fight. That would have been ugly 20 years earlier.

Didn't Paz actually try to claim he was a better Lightweight than Duran?

Maybe, I don't recall that. I remember Duran dropping him hard with a right hand and Vinny running for his life in the rematch.

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SamWise72 wrote:Paz and Haugen really disliked each other too. One of the first boxing mags I bought as a lad had an interview with Haugen, and he did not appreciate Vinny one bit.

That would have been a KO magazine around 1987; he said something about Paz bringing 15,000 fans to his fights and said that in Providence, Rhode Island 10,000 people turned out to watch the tide come in

I liked the 2nd fight; Haugen was a skilled boxer and crafty.

I think the two men get on well now, both good fighters and entertaining.

HaugenPaz.....were these fights...or a brand of Ice Cream for canines?

Great fights on NBC. I had Haugen winning the first two and Paz the last one when Rooney changed his style. Behind the scenes with parents and vastly different backgrounds were fun too.

Paz and Haugen had a strange relationship. They were natural rivals, but also seemed to enjoy the trash talking theater that both excelled at. What I remember most of all is that Pazienza, after losing the title to Haugen in the rematch, showed up in Haugen's home turf to support him in his first title defense against Miguel Santana and actually intervened regarding the convoluted finish to assist Haugen in retaining the title. Haugen spoke frankly that he was glad Pazienza showed up and brought clarity about the rules and ensured he kept the belt. Strange.