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Accusations that have come out? I have a sneaky feeling...

If Burns gets beat from Crawford it will be because the best man won, I really don't think that Ricky will come out trying to blame anything or anyone else.

Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

David McAllister wrote:If Burns gets beat from Crawford it will be because the best man won, I really don't think that Ricky will come out trying to blame anything or anyone else.

Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

It wasnt so much Ricky I was thinking of when it comes to possible excuses. You make good points though.

I hope Ricky can put in an impressive performance; he hasn't looked a world class boxer (though he's shown real world class toughness and bottle) in his last 2 fights. He'll need to be at his best for Crawford and if he can win it'll be similar to Watt beating Howard Davis.

columbo wrote:

David McAllister wrote:If Burns gets beat from Crawford it will be because the best man won, I really don't think that Ricky will come out trying to blame anything or anyone else.

Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

It wasnt so much Ricky I was thinking of when it comes to possible excuses. You make good points though.

Who you reckon would be looking for excuses?? His trainer, Manager or Promoter?

David McAllister wrote:

columbo wrote:

David McAllister wrote:If Burns gets beat from Crawford it will be because the best man won, I really don't think that Ricky will come out trying to blame anything or anyone else.

Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

It wasnt so much Ricky I was thinking of when it comes to possible excuses. You make good points though.

Who you reckon would be looking for excuses?? His trainer, Manager or Promoter?

All of the above possibly.

Why are you always so negative? Of course they would be looking for excuses, just like any other team of any other fighter.

SNG wrote:Why are you always so negative? Of course they would be looking for excuses, just like any other team of any other fighter.

Because take your loss like a man. Dont say it was because of this or that or some crap. Just admit you were beaten by the better man.

columbo wrote:

SNG wrote:Why are you always so negative? Of course they would be looking for excuses, just like any other team of any other fighter.

Because take your loss like a man. Dont say it was because of this or that or some crap. Just admit you were beaten by the better man.

I'm sure ricky will. What control does he have over what he people around him say? And what does it matter what they say?

2014 doesn't look good for Ricky. It's not the potential loss against Crawford he should be worried about, it's the court case with allegedly. If that doesn't go Ricky's way he could stand to lose everything. The spoils of a 13 year career gone overnight.

Ricky comes across as the ultimate professional however since his switch to Matchroom his performances have been way below the high standards he's set. I think it's going to be impossible to switch off from the stuff going on in his private life. When you find yourself in a position with serious worries on your mind you struggle to sleep properly, eat properly, unwind properly and burn a hell of a lot of nervous energy as you pace through things in your mind.

Fr&nk allegedly took Ricky to the top of the world, and might now drag him down into the gutter.

I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

palooka wrote:I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

Yes he does employ them, but what actual control do you think he has over their opinions? And what they choose to say in interviews.

palooka wrote:I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

I'm sure I read that Bob Arum was campaigning for completely neutral judges and referee for this fight after his previous fighter was robbed.

Burns seems to hold his council in interviews and he could certainly press others to do the same; Ricky gets a fair bit of respect for how he conducts himself and some of those around him could rein themselves in - what sort of inducements as an employer could Burns hold to make sure his employees did what he wanted?

chad wrote:

palooka wrote:I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

I'm sure I read that Bob Arum was campaigning for completely neutral judges and referee for this fight after his previous fighter was robbed.

And for the hate that Arum gets on boxing sites for things he's done and things he's not done - that man knows how boxing works A-Z.

I wasnt even talking about Ricky as it was. I was talking about Billy and co.

palooka wrote:I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

The manager signs up the boxer, the boxer can't fight without a manager, I think Ricky has been with him for a long time, difficult to break free from a manager, unless the contract ends, but with his manager being brought in front of the board for his vile comments, Ricky could be allowed to part company, because of the damage caused to his clean image.

I thought a boxer can be self managed and if he (she) chose to have a manager they paid a % of the purse; there's no legal requirement to have a manager - that's be a restraint of trade; surely.

chad wrote:

palooka wrote:I understand what you are saying SNG and doesn't the boxer employ the trainer, manager etc? Though I reckon Burns would need to do a part time course in lion taming to have a chance of shutting Billys gob if the decision goes the 'wrong way' (I wonder what odds Beltran would give for that to happen?)

I'm sure I read that Bob Arum was campaigning for completely neutral judges and referee for this fight after his previous fighter was robbed.

Nowadays it does not make that much difference, home is still home , I am sure Matchroom will have say in who is chosen.

palooka wrote:I thought a boxer can be self managed

You thought right.

Anzi wrote:I think Ricky has been with him for a long time, difficult to break free from a manager, unless the contract ends, but with his manager being brought in front of the board for his vile comments, Ricky could be allowed to part company, because of the damage caused to his clean image.

This is what makes things interesting in terms of Ricky's up coming court case with Fr&nk allegedly. No doubt Alex Morrison would be in the mix, in support of Ricky however a split between the 2, or tension caused by info posted by allegedly yesterday, could leave Ricky neck deep in the brown stuff.

chad wrote:

Anzi wrote:I think Ricky has been with him for a long time, difficult to break free from a manager, unless the contract ends, but with his manager being brought in front of the board for his vile comments, Ricky could be allowed to part company, because of the damage caused to his clean image.

This is what makes things interesting in terms of Ricky's up coming court case with Fr&nk allegedly. No doubt Alex Morrison would be in the mix, in support of Ricky however a split between the 2, or tension caused by info posted by allegedly yesterday, could leave Ricky neck deep in the brown stuff.

Guinness? I've been like that a few times

palooka wrote:I thought a boxer can be self managed and if he (she) chose to have a manager they paid a % of the purse; there's no legal requirement to have a manager - that's be a restraint of trade; surely.

You have to have a manager, it could be someone else or yourself, that is rule of the BBB of C, but it is very difficult in this industry to do it yourself and not well liked by promoters and other managers, i.e Audley Harrison, but in some other countries you don't have to have a manager, but if you want to fight under the BBB of C you have to. Managers get up to 25% of the fighter's purse under the BBB of C, after expenses ect.

David McAllister wrote:

columbo wrote:

David McAllister wrote:If Burns gets beat from Crawford it will be because the best man won, I really don't think that Ricky will come out trying to blame anything or anyone else.

Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

It wasnt so much Ricky I was thinking of when it comes to possible excuses. You make good points though.

Who you reckon would be looking for excuses?? His trainer, Manager or Promoter?

Just for people's peace of mind, there will be no excuses should Ricky lose, his camp has been one if not the best so far.
If Ricky produces his best form he will win this fight, yes it will be tough but I train a very tough man

billy nelson wrote:

David McAllister wrote:

columbo wrote: Imo Burns won't get beat, he has so much more experience than Crawford at this level and i think that Crawford's camp have pushed for the fight off the back of Ricky's below par performances in his last couple of fights but I think they might have bitten off a but more than they can chew!!!

It wasnt so much Ricky I was thinking of when it comes to possible excuses. You make good points though.

Who you reckon would be looking for excuses?? His trainer, Manager or Promoter?

Just for people's peace of mind, there will be no excuses should Ricky lose, his camp has been one if not the best so far.
If Ricky produces his best form he will win this fight, yes it will be tough but I train a very tough man[/quote]
Fair play Billy