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That depends which Dokes shows up, but the best version of Dokes

beats the best version of the Duke every time.

I strongly agreed with you Cutman Scabbers.

Dokes wasn't a very hard puncher but because of his hand speed and combination punching he could at times score surprise knock downs. At his best I’d take Dokes by comfortable decision or possibly a mid rounds TKO after scoring a few knockdowns.

Assuming he's properly prepared, I'll go with Dokes. He could take a shot pretty well in his prime, had fast hands, good boxing acumen, and had a decent punch though not great.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:That depends which Dokes shows up, but the best version of Dokes

beats the best version of the Duke every time.

My feelings exactly. Dokes being too much for Morrison.

... and the worst version of Morrison beats the worst version of Dokes every time

Unless he was coked out of his mind(and they both might be), Dokes would win pretty handily, probably early on.

There's a talent edge to Dokes. Even young Holyfield complained his handspeed was a nightmare to deal with.

And the Dokes that went to war with Holyfield had been through the grinder.

polecateddy wrote:There's a talent edge to Dokes. Even young Holyfield complained his handspeed was a nightmare to deal with.

Evander was lucky that Dokes had been through some s**t, and out of his prime, otherwise he would've lost.

Cutman Scabbers wrote:... and the worst version of Morrison beats the worst version of Dokes every time

I dunno... Remember the legendary Michael Bentt?

Ambling Alp II wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:... and the worst version of Morrison beats the worst version of Dokes every time

I dunno... Remember the legendary Michael Bentt?

When looking at the "worst" version of Morrison, I was thinking of the late 200o's rendition who was coming out of a 10 year retirement and in the final stages of AIDS. I doubt Dokes at his worst would lost to that guy.

dokes wins better chin/ better defence/ and ultra fast hands

Ambling Alp II wrote:

Cutman Scabbers wrote:... and the worst version of Morrison beats the worst version of Dokes every time

I dunno... Remember the legendary Michael Bentt?

Sure do! Remember the legendary Paul Phillips?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Or the inimitable Louis Monaco?

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer

Ok, I wasn't counting fights when Dokes was way, way past his prime and at the end of a long career. He was 38 against Monaco and 39 against Phillips. Even then, he went the distance vs Monaco.

Morrison was 24 when got knocked out by Michael Bentt in the first round. That was a very embarrassing loss. I don't think that there is anything remotely as bad of a performance by Dokes anywhere near his prime.

Ambling Alp II wrote:Ok, I wasn't counting fights when Dokes was way, way past his prime and at the end of a long career. He was 38 against Monaco and 39 against Phillips. Even then, he went the distance vs Monaco.

Morrison was 24 when got knocked out by Michael Bentt in the first round. That was a very embarrassing loss. I don't think that there is anything remotely as bad of a performance by Dokes anywhere near his prime.

Exactly -- hence "... and the worst version of Morrison beats the worst version of Dokes every time"

Ambling Alp II wrote:Ok, I wasn't counting fights when Dokes was way, way past his prime and at the end of a long career. He was 38 against Monaco and 39 against Phillips. Even then, he went the distance vs Monaco.

Morrison was 24 when got knocked out by Michael Bentt in the first round. That was a very embarrassing loss. I don't think that there is anything remotely as bad of a performance by Dokes anywhere near his prime.

I picked Dokes to beat Morrison prime for prime. But truthfully, it wouldn't be a match that I'd feel comfortable putting a great deal of money on ( not that I gamble anyway. ) Dokes had a lot of raw talent but it was poorly utilized. After having watched some of his fights from the early 80's I wouldn't describe him as being terribly impressive. He had fast hands, good boxing skills, and halfway decent power. But he had a lot of less than stellar performances and not always against the best opposition either. The same could be said for Morrison, but at least he had that punch. Frankly I may be in the minority when I say that the later reincarnation of Dokes who fought life and death with Holyfield, would have a better chance of beating Tommy than the 1982 version. He was drug free for the first time in years. Training under new management. And made stylistic changes that seemed to work better for him.. I don't know. Tough call.

Ambling Alp II wrote:Ok, I wasn't counting fights when Dokes was way, way past his prime and at the end of a long career. He was 38 against Monaco and 39 against Phillips. Even then, he went the distance vs Monaco.

Morrison was 24 when got knocked out by Michael Bentt in the first round. That was a very embarrassing loss. I don't think that there is anything remotely as bad of a performance by Dokes anywhere near his prime.

Wasnt Knocked out. Bounced right back up after each of the 3 kd's. Wasnt even hurt at all,especially after the 3rd kd. Just looked very sad and disappointed because he knew the fight was automatically over based on the 3 kd rule. Lame 3 Kd rule. Fight could've easily become the Moore-Durelle of the 90's. Morrison messed up in trying way too hard overzelously trying to WoW the crowd by scoring a 1st round Ko. Thats what led to this debacle. Morrison's Overzelous approach+Lame 3 kd rule despite Morrison clearly not being hurt. A fighter unable to fight any further doesnt bounce right back up,which Morrison did,even after the fight ending 3rd Knockdown.

He looked hurt to me.

AngryGoon38 wrote:

Ambling Alp II wrote:Ok, I wasn't counting fights when Dokes was way, way past his prime and at the end of a long career. He was 38 against Monaco and 39 against Phillips. Even then, he went the distance vs Monaco.

Morrison was 24 when got knocked out by Michael Bentt in the first round. That was a very embarrassing loss. I don't think that there is anything remotely as bad of a performance by Dokes anywhere near his prime.

Wasnt Knocked out. Bounced right back up after each of the 3 kd's. Wasnt even hurt at all,especially after the 3rd kd. Just looked very sad and disappointed because he knew the fight was automatically over based on the 3 kd rule. Lame 3 Kd rule. Fight could've easily become the Moore-Durelle of the 90's. Morrison messed up in trying way too hard overzelously trying to WoW the crowd by scoring a 1st round Ko. Thats what led to this debacle. Morrison's Overzelous approach+Lame 3 kd rule despite Morrison clearly not being hurt. A fighter unable to fight any further doesnt bounce right back up,which Morrison did,even after the fight ending 3rd Knockdown.

Morrison had a look of defeat on his face the FIRST time he went down. And I wouldn't exactly describe his rising from the canvas as "bouncing right back up." Certainly not the way that Bruce Seldon did against Jose Ribalta. There's no way of knowing for sure what would have happened had the three knockdown rule not been in effect.. But what matters is that he was losing badly and it showed in his eyes.. Surmising what he would have done if given a third chance to stand back up, doesn't change the outcome... Duke got beat....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoHOXdvWKc

Judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu9nzeTOA-M

He was obviously hurt very badly. Some referees would have stopped it after the 2nd knockdown; Morrison was in a fog. He was fighting a mediocre fighter. This was an embarrassing fight and much worse than any fight Dokes had anywhere near his prime.