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"I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:25
by MrJasonM
I have just read this Luke Campbell story on the front page and he talks about his last performance and how he didnt realise it was a four rounder until the third round. He had thought it was six.

“I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder and not a six. I was expecting to do the six and grind him down and go for the stoppage in the last two rounds."

How does this happen?

I find it surprising a big prospect on a Matchroom undercard would be unsure about how many rounds his fight is.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:30
by Coco
It was prob cut for tv reasons

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:43
by MrJasonM
Yeah I guess that makes sense, although he did say in the article he was on early as there were a few early finishes in the fights before.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:45
by spudder56
MrJasonM wrote:I have just read this Luke Campbell story on the front page and he talks about his last performance and how he didnt realise it was a four rounder until the third round. He had thought it was six.

“I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder and not a six. I was expecting to do the six and grind him down and go for the stoppage in the last two rounds."

How does this happen?

I find it surprising a big prospect on a Matchroom undercard would be unsure about how many rounds his fight is.

It couldn't and didn't happen mate the boxer is talking rubbish

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:47
by Anzi
MrJasonM wrote:I have just read this Luke Campbell story on the front page and he talks about his last performance and how he didnt realise it was a four rounder until the third round. He had thought it was six.

“I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder and not a six. I was expecting to do the six and grind him down and go for the stoppage in the last two rounds."

How does this happen?

I find it surprising a big prospect on a Matchroom undercard would be unsure about how many rounds his fight is.
It happens when cards are moved around and they can't fit a 6 rounder in, so they make it 4, also when the away opponent is changed and the new opponent who has took it at short notice, is not fit enough to do 6 rounds, we thought we was doing 6 two minute rounds once, but the opponent asked the promoter to change it to 4 three minute rounds, we was not told it had been changed, funny enough the first round was only 2 minutes long ( mistake by the time keeper ) so we did not notice until the second round, which was 3 minutes long, we then asked and were told the bout was 4/3, it meant tactics had to be changed slightly, as Luke Campbell would have had to do. It happened to Tony Jeffries once, on a Maloney show, He and his team thought they were doing 6 three minute rounds, that's what they trained for, Jeffries put everything into the 6 rounds, to get what he thought was the win, against tough journeyman Banbula, only to find that he had 2 rounds still to go, he was totally knackered and ended up getting a very fortunate draw, as he clearly lost the last 2 rounds and a few of the others.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:50
by spudder56
Anzi wrote:
MrJasonM wrote:I have just read this Luke Campbell story on the front page and he talks about his last performance and how he didnt realise it was a four rounder until the third round. He had thought it was six.

“I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder and not a six. I was expecting to do the six and grind him down and go for the stoppage in the last two rounds."

How does this happen?

I find it surprising a big prospect on a Matchroom undercard would be unsure about how many rounds his fight is.
It happens when cards are moved around and they can't fit a 6 rounder in, so they make it 4, also when the away opponent is changed and the new opponent who has took it at short notice, is not fit enough to do 6 rounds, we thought we was doing 6 two minute rounds once, but the opponent asked the promoter to change it to 4 three minute rounds, we was not told it had been changed, funny enough the first round was only 2 minutes long ( mistake by the time keeper ) so we did not notice until the second round, which was 3 minutes long, we then asked and were told the bout was 4/3, it meant tactics had to be changed slightly, as Luke Campbell would have had to do. It happened to Tony Jeffries once, on a Maloney show, He and his team thought they were doing 6 three minute rounds, that's what they trained for, Jeffries put everything into the 6 rounds, to get what he thought was the win, against tough journeyman Banbula, only to find that he had 2 rounds still to go, he was totally knackered and ended up getting a very fortunate draw, as he clearly lost the last 2 rounds and a few of the others.


Everybody is aware of contest duration before first bell sounds if they weren't aware they are obviously not paying attention

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 16:59
by Anzi
spudder56 wrote:
Anzi wrote:
MrJasonM wrote:I have just read this Luke Campbell story on the front page and he talks about his last performance and how he didnt realise it was a four rounder until the third round. He had thought it was six.

“I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder and not a six. I was expecting to do the six and grind him down and go for the stoppage in the last two rounds."

How does this happen?

I find it surprising a big prospect on a Matchroom undercard would be unsure about how many rounds his fight is.
It happens when cards are moved around and they can't fit a 6 rounder in, so they make it 4, also when the away opponent is changed and the new opponent who has took it at short notice, is not fit enough to do 6 rounds, we thought we was doing 6 two minute rounds once, but the opponent asked the promoter to change it to 4 three minute rounds, we was not told it had been changed, funny enough the first round was only 2 minutes long ( mistake by the time keeper ) so we did not notice until the second round, which was 3 minutes long, we then asked and were told the bout was 4/3, it meant tactics had to be changed slightly, as Luke Campbell would have had to do. It happened to Tony Jeffries once, on a Maloney show, He and his team thought they were doing 6 three minute rounds, that's what they trained for, Jeffries put everything into the 6 rounds, to get what he thought was the win, against tough journeyman Banbula, only to find that he had 2 rounds still to go, he was totally knackered and ended up getting a very fortunate draw, as he clearly lost the last 2 rounds and a few of the others.


Everybody is aware of contest duration before first bell sounds if they weren't aware they are obviously not paying attention
Not if it is changed behind the scenes Spudder, especially with Tv, british boxing is full of communication lapses and miss-understandings.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:03
by expe
Anzi wrote:
spudder56 wrote:
Anzi wrote:]It happens when cards are moved around and they can't fit a 6 rounder in, so they make it 4, also when the away opponent is changed and the new opponent who has took it at short notice, is not fit enough to do 6 rounds, we thought we was doing 6 two minute rounds once, but the opponent asked the promoter to change it to 4 three minute rounds, we was not told it had been changed, funny enough the first round was only 2 minutes long ( mistake by the time keeper ) so we did not notice until the second round, which was 3 minutes long, we then asked and were told the bout was 4/3, it meant tactics had to be changed slightly, as Luke Campbell would have had to do. It happened to Tony Jeffries once, on a Maloney show, He and his team thought they were doing 6 three minute rounds, that's what they trained for, Jeffries put everything into the 6 rounds, to get what he thought was the win, against tough journeyman Banbula, only to find that he had 2 rounds still to go, he was totally knackered and ended up getting a very fortunate draw, as he clearly lost the last 2 rounds and a few of the others.
Everybody is aware of contest duration before first bell sounds if they weren't aware they are obviously not paying attention
Not if it is changed behind the scenes Spudder, especially with Tv, british boxing is full of communication lapses and miss-understandings.
Usually the announcer says the distance of the fight or the referee will when the fighters touch gloves, Jeff Hinds is one that definitely does that.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:20
by Anzi
Had a feeling you would come on, the announcer does, the ref usually tells the fighters to protect themselves at all times and to obey instructions at all times, some tell the fighters about the call to break, hitting below the belt, to name but a few, not the duration of the fight or the rounds, fighters are in the zone, corner men are sorting out the corner, so don't always listen to the announcer at the start, but I have a feeling that might not be enough for you, fact of the matter it does happen. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 5280,d.bGE

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:21
by Anzi

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:32
by ILikeBeer
I watched a fight on Eurosport once where the commentators didn't know the fight length. It ended before they expected, and they were WTF?

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:36
by Final round
Wasn't there some confusion in rounds during a Tony Jeffries fight?

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:50
by handsofstone
Final round wrote:Wasn't there some confusion in rounds during a Tony Jeffries fight?
Yeah wasnt that when he ended up with a draw?

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:55
by johnnygreaves
Anzi wrote:Had a feeling you would come on, the announcer does, the ref usually tells the fighters to protect themselves at all times and to obey instructions at all times, some tell the fighters about the call to break, hitting below the belt, to name but a few, not the duration of the fight or the rounds, fighters are in the zone, corner men are sorting out the corner, so don't always listen to the announcer at the start, but I have a feeling that might not be enough for you, fact of the matter it does happen. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 5280,d.bGE
They do tell you how long the fight is sir.some times there is confusion before hand but you need to listen to what the ref says. Also, I've had fights change from 6 to 4 more or less on the way to the ring.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 17:59
by jameswilson
I think there was confusion on how long a round was in an Enzo Maccarinelli and a Danny Williams fight not so long ago.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 18:30
by n1ebf
Anzi wrote:
spudder56 wrote:
Anzi wrote:It happens when cards are moved around and they can't fit a 6 rounder in, so they make it 4, also when the away opponent is changed and the new opponent who has took it at short notice, is not fit enough to do 6 rounds, we thought we was doing 6 two minute rounds once, but the opponent asked the promoter to change it to 4 three minute rounds, we was not told it had been changed, funny enough the first round was only 2 minutes long ( mistake by the time keeper ) so we did not notice until the second round, which was 3 minutes long, we then asked and were told the bout was 4/3, it meant tactics had to be changed slightly, as Luke Campbell would have had to do. It happened to Tony Jeffries once, on a Maloney show, He and his team thought they were doing 6 three minute rounds, that's what they trained for, Jeffries put everything into the 6 rounds, to get what he thought was the win, against tough journeyman Banbula, only to find that he had 2 rounds still to go, he was totally knackered and ended up getting a very fortunate draw, as he clearly lost the last 2 rounds and a few of the others.


Everybody is aware of contest duration before first bell sounds if they weren't aware they are obviously not paying attention
Not if it is changed behind the scenes Spudder, especially with Tv, british boxing is full of communication lapses and miss-understandings.
Beggars belief. Like a fighter doesn't have enough uncertainty/ things to think about already - like trying not to get knocked out - to be worrying about things like this. Rescheduling mid-bout, if it's true.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 18:33
by spudder56
johnnygreaves wrote:
Anzi wrote:Had a feeling you would come on, the announcer does, the ref usually tells the fighters to protect themselves at all times and to obey instructions at all times, some tell the fighters about the call to break, hitting below the belt, to name but a few, not the duration of the fight or the rounds, fighters are in the zone, corner men are sorting out the corner, so don't always listen to the announcer at the start, but I have a feeling that might not be enough for you, fact of the matter it does happen. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 5280,d.bGE
They do tell you how long the fight is sir.some times there is confusion before hand but you need to listen to what the ref says. Also, I've had fights change from 6 to 4 more or less on the way to the ring.
Spot on Johnny it does happen but as you say everybody is made aware before the first bell sounds what Campbell is saying is that duration changed mid contest which is a ludicrous statement to make as is the idea that neither his corner or himself knew the contest duration beforehand

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 18:54
by bripez
johnnygreaves wrote:
Anzi wrote:Had a feeling you would come on, the announcer does, the ref usually tells the fighters to protect themselves at all times and to obey instructions at all times, some tell the fighters about the call to break, hitting below the belt, to name but a few, not the duration of the fight or the rounds, fighters are in the zone, corner men are sorting out the corner, so don't always listen to the announcer at the start, but I have a feeling that might not be enough for you, fact of the matter it does happen. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 5280,d.bGE
They do tell you how long the fight is sir.some times there is confusion before hand but you need to listen to what the ref says. Also, I've had fights change from 6 to 4 more or less on the way to the ring.
I understand, however it will usually be the opponent that is left in the dark before being told.

I find it difficult to believe that somebody like Luke Campbell at this time of his career was ever in that situation.

If there was an issue with other fights finishing early or all going the distance then I would have thought that the other fights down the card / the floaters / spares would be re- jigged and not his fight.

A prospect knows exactly when he is going to fight, who he is going to fight and for how long.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 17 Feb 2014, 19:19
by Final round
handsofstone wrote:
Final round wrote:Wasn't there some confusion in rounds during a Tony Jeffries fight?
Yeah wasnt that when he ended up with a draw?
Yeah I think so, it came across as poorly organised

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 04:31
by cutsman
handsofstone wrote:
Final round wrote:Wasn't there some confusion in rounds during a Tony Jeffries fight?
Yeah wasnt that when he ended up with a draw?
Erm....I think this has already been said..

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 04:40
by Parson Cross
Sorry not buying this.
Campbell and his team will have been told prior to leaving the dressing room even if that was last minute.
Smacks of an excuse for a very average performance.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 07:20
by Anzi

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 07:59
by Anzi
Parson Cross wrote:Sorry not buying this.
Campbell and his team will have been told prior to leaving the dressing room even if that was last minute.
Smacks of an excuse for a very average performance.
I am sure if they were told prior to leaving the dressing room, they would not forget so quickly, lack of communication happens, I think Campbell has performed very well since he turned pro, when he was an amateur he did not look pro material, but he has adapted great.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 08:08
by Anzi
jameswilson wrote:I think there was confusion on how long a round was in an Enzo Maccarinelli and a Danny Williams fight not so long ago.
That was the Shane Mcphilbin against Maccararinelli, McPhilbin floored Maccaranelli, who was on unsteady legs, the timekeeper rang the bell far too early, maybe saving Maccaranelli in the process, who came back to win on points.

Re: "I found out in the third round that it was a four rounder"

Posted: 18 Feb 2014, 09:53
by Old bones Ian
I've seen it before when a boxer thinks its the last round and comes out to touch gloves with his opponent, only to find out at the end of the round its not.

Also in a 12 rounder trainers have been known to lie about the number of rounds gone to try and get a last effort out of a boxer, by saying last round, when really its the 11th.