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Could he have been a dominant world champion?

Fairly good, but considering I thought he lost the David Tua fight something tells me he wouldn't have been all that dominant.

Tua fight was a cracker but i think he definately won and chris byrd was still at a good level when ike beat him.

deighan wrote:Tua fight was a cracker but i think he definately won and chris byrd was still at a good level when ike beat him.

I could see it 115-113 either way. I thought Tua landed the better, cleaner shots throughout the fight and could've got the decision. It wasn't a robbery or anything, it was a very competitive fight, but I thought Tua edged it personally.

tua was on top of his game then too which even at a close fight makes it a fairly impressive win.

There has never been a heavyweight more talked about than this man in the 'Woulda, Shoulda, Coulda' category. To me he was meant to go as far as he was gonna go. The wonder to me is that he lasted as long as he did, considering his mental state was deteriorating long before he brutally raped and beaten that woman almost to death. And when you look at the fights he had, it is no wonder, because Ike took alot of murderous punches from Tua and others.

The tragic, deep-seated mental illness would have always been a decisive/deciding issue....accounts of his deeply erratic behaviour were legion long before the courts effectively ended his career and his life.

The President moniker was not a cheesy marketing ploy, Ike apparently demanded to be given this title and sadly seemed to believe that he was this other character/alter ego.

Depending on how you found him he was either charming and lucid....or simply a danger to himself and others. One of the UK boxing titles ran a piece on him a couple of years ago and it was shocking.

I believe that he was finally diagnosed as a violent/possibly incurable schizophreniac (in prison) and that is why his parole has been repeatedly denied because he has not made sufficient progress. It is a pity this diagnosis was not made earlier and the proper support put in place; most notably as the US prision system is hardly a model of liberal, compassionate rehabiliation.

Bodyshot3 wrote:The tragic, deep-seated mental illness would have always been a decisive/deciding issue....accounts of his deeply erratic behaviour were legion long before the courts effectively ended his career and his life.

The President moniker was not a cheesy marketing ploy, Ike apparently demanded to be given this title and sadly seemed to believe that he was this other character/alter ego.

Depending on how you found him he was either charming and lucid....or simply a danger to himself and others. One of the UK boxing titles ran a piece on him a couple of years ago and it was shocking.

I believe that he was finally diagnosed as a violent/possibly incurable schizophreniac (in prison) and that is why his parole has been repeatedly denied because he has not made sufficient progress. It is a pity this diagnosis was not made earlier and the proper support put in place; most notably as the US prision system is hardly a model of liberal, compassionate rehabiliation.

I thought Ike beat Tua clearly in a tremendously overrated fight.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Bodyshot3 wrote:The tragic, deep-seated mental illness would have always been a decisive/deciding issue....accounts of his deeply erratic behaviour were legion long before the courts effectively ended his career and his life.

The President moniker was not a cheesy marketing ploy, Ike apparently demanded to be given this title and sadly seemed to believe that he was this other character/alter ego.

Depending on how you found him he was either charming and lucid....or simply a danger to himself and others. One of the UK boxing titles ran a piece on him a couple of years ago and it was shocking.

I believe that he was finally diagnosed as a violent/possibly incurable schizophreniac (in prison) and that is why his parole has been repeatedly denied because he has not made sufficient progress. It is a pity this diagnosis was not made earlier and the proper support put in place; most notably as the US prision system is hardly a model of liberal, compassionate rehabiliation.

I thought Ike beat Tua clearly in a tremendously overrated fight.

It is definitely an overrated fight. A Good fight no doubt, but I've heard a lot of "One of the Best Heavyweight fights ever" and sh*t from fans, and I strongly disagree with those claims.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Bodyshot3 wrote:The tragic, deep-seated mental illness would have always been a decisive/deciding issue....accounts of his deeply erratic behaviour were legion long before the courts effectively ended his career and his life.

The President moniker was not a cheesy marketing ploy, Ike apparently demanded to be given this title and sadly seemed to believe that he was this other character/alter ego.

Depending on how you found him he was either charming and lucid....or simply a danger to himself and others. One of the UK boxing titles ran a piece on him a couple of years ago and it was shocking.

I believe that he was finally diagnosed as a violent/possibly incurable schizophreniac (in prison) and that is why his parole has been repeatedly denied because he has not made sufficient progress. It is a pity this diagnosis was not made earlier and the proper support put in place; most notably as the US prision system is hardly a model of liberal, compassionate rehabiliation.

I thought Ike beat Tua clearly in a tremendously overrated fight.

It is definitely an overrated fight. A Good fight no doubt, but I've heard a lot of "One of the Best Heavyweight fights ever" and sh*t from fans, and I strongly disagree with those claims.

It lacked drama. It was good, but has zero replay luster for me.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
It lacked drama. It was good, but has zero replay luster for me.

Yeah usually for a fight to be replay worthy, there has to be moments in the fight where one guy was badly shaken or knocked down and battles back or some sh*t like that. Even though they both threw a sh*t load of punches in that bout...especially Ike. Nobody ever appeared to be hurt at all.

It was like playing a video game with damage turned off.

I think he's a guy whom if he really worked at it, could have possibly done less time.

He had potential. If somehow he were to over come his mental and emotional issues he had the right stuff for a good career. As for how far he would have actually gone? Impossible to say. I agree that he's given undue props as the next ATG, but as it stands, he was already a solid contender when he was extracted from the game.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
It lacked drama. It was good, but has zero replay luster for me.

Yeah usually for a fight to be replay worthy, there has to be moments in the fight where one guy was badly shaken or knocked down and battles back or some sh*t like that. Even though they both threw a sh*t load of punches in that bout...especially Ike. Nobody ever appeared to be hurt at all.

I don't expect knockdowns and to be hurt to say that fight was great, not only good. So, I don't think it's overrated. You just have different criteria. But you cannot say that there were no emotions and wonderful punches and that the fight was very even and competitive.

I think it's one of the best fights ever.

Too each their own, I don't think it would be in my top 200 of fights. Though I saw it after the live airing and I never rate fights like that with ones I've seen live.